The Politics Thread 3.0

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by satriales » Sun Apr 16, 2017 3:59 pm

Grumpy David wrote:Good going JC:



Meanwhile, 20 years ago:



Tory voters are never going to vote Labour anyway. So as bad as Labour are doing, it doesn't explain 46% of people wanting to keep the Conservatives in power.
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by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:01 pm

satriales wrote:
Grumpy David wrote:Good going JC:



Meanwhile, 20 years ago:



Tory voters are never going to vote Labour anyway. So as bad as Labour are doing, it doesn't explain 46% of people wanting to keep the Conservatives in power.


For hardcore voters yes, but i know loads of people who have flipped between the two parties.
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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:31 pm

Yeah, everyone in my family has floated all over the place depending on who they feel will benefit them at any given time. Pretty much everyone else I know exactly the same.
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by Meep » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:39 pm

KK wrote:Yeah, everyone in my family has floated all over the place depending on who they feel will benefit them at any given time. Pretty much everyone else I know exactly the same.

If people are largely voting on their own perceived self-interest our democracy is pretty much strawberry floated. Without people willing to consider and make decisions in the interest of all then there is no impetus for governments to do likewise.
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by Errkal » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:45 pm

Meep wrote:
KK wrote:Yeah, everyone in my family has floated all over the place depending on who they feel will benefit them at any given time. Pretty much everyone else I know exactly the same.

If people are largely voting on their own perceived self-interest our democracy is pretty much strawberry floated. Without people willing to consider and make decisions in the interest of all then there is no impetus for governments to do likewise.

That's how the country seems to be at the moment, not just politically, but walking about people are paying less attention to those around them, I'm constantly getting arse holes walk in front of out of shops without looking. Same in the car people just do what they want, strawberry float other people they don't matter.
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by Rocsteady » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:08 pm

Meep wrote:
KK wrote:Yeah, everyone in my family has floated all over the place depending on who they feel will benefit them at any given time. Pretty much everyone else I know exactly the same.

If people are largely voting on their own perceived self-interest our democracy is pretty much strawberry floated. Without people willing to consider and make decisions in the interest of all then there is no impetus for governments to do likewise.

If you don't think people have always done this you're deluded. Even in the time of Attlee the general public weren't saints, they knew that massive social programs would also benefit them as individuals.
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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Meep » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:28 pm

Well, there goes Turkish democracy.
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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lagamorph » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:35 pm

Turkey was a democracy?
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by lex-man » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:23 pm

So how's turkey's EU membership looking?
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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:32 pm

Move to a liberal country like the UK, Netherlands or Germany but then vote for their fellow countrymen to have a dictatorship. Makes sense.
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by Garth » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:38 pm

By 2019, after the next national elections are scheduled, he could be both the head of state and of government.

The post of the prime minister would be abolished. Budgets, cabinet and judicial appointments would fall under Mr Erdogan’s purview. He could stand for two more terms, and under certain conditions, for a third, allowing him to rule until at least 2029. He could dissolve parliament, issue decrees that could not be scrutinised by parliament or courts, unless a supermajority votes against him. He would also gain substantial immunity from prosecution.

https://www.ft.com/content/79d90e4a-228 ... f7e0cd0a16

Increasing his power, with immunity from prosecution and a path to many more years as leader :dread:
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by Lagamorph » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:53 pm

To be fair, it's difficult for anyone to campaign against a slogan as good as "Vote for me or else"
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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Karl » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:58 pm

By exiting democracy the Turks have finally taken back control. Good for them.
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by Memento Mori » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:08 pm

"Today... Turkey has taken a historic decision," Mr Erdogan told a briefing at his official Istanbul residence, the Huber Palace. "With the people, we have realised the most important reform in our history."


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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lucien » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:17 pm

Meep wrote:Well, there goes Turkish democracy.


It's sad but I'm hoping the vote was rigged, because the only other alternative is people were stupid enough to vote for a dictatorship.
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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:18 pm

Another basket case country to add to the list.

How long will the EU (including us) continue to suck up to him though. May was there not too long ago in fact.
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by lex-man » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:05 pm

Lucien wrote:
Meep wrote:Well, there goes Turkish democracy.


It's sad but I'm hoping the vote was rigged, because the only other alternative is people were stupid enough to vote for a dictatorship.


There is some talk of faked vote slips.

Personally, I believe people are stupid enough to vote for dictatorship.
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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Karl » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:17 pm

The moaning, whinging demo-crazies should just stop being crybabies and grow up already. You lost, get over it. The important thing is to unite behind Turkey and make a success of this dictatorship.
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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lagamorph » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:21 pm

Demoaners gonna demoan
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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Meep » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:30 am

lex-man wrote:
Lucien wrote:
Meep wrote:Well, there goes Turkish democracy.


It's sad but I'm hoping the vote was rigged, because the only other alternative is people were stupid enough to vote for a dictatorship.


There is some talk of faked vote slips.

Personally, I believe people are stupid enough to vote for dictatorship.

Intellectual myopia in the extreme. His supporters have delivered him this victory without countenancing the fact that they do not know the future and might change their minds, let alone the fact that this is constitutional change that will apply to every president going forward regardless of whether they like them or not.

Of course, to give people some credit, it probably wouldn't have happened if he wasn't in control of the media.

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