The Politics Thread 3.0

[Moggy]

I can't wait for David Irving's uninterrupted nationwide Holocaust denial tour.

His speech is in-between the talk from the head of ISIS and the one that the Stalinist Society are holding.

Jeremy Corbyn will be in the front row for the latter.

You think Corbyn is a Stalinist?

Bless.

[Lagamorph]

I can't wait for David Irving's uninterrupted nationwide Holocaust denial tour.

His speech is in-between the talk from the head of ISIS and the one that the Stalinist Society are holding.

Jeremy Corbyn will be in the front row for the latter.

You think Corbyn is a Stalinist?

Bless.

Meh, one communist is the same as any other.

[Moggy]

I can't wait for David Irving's uninterrupted nationwide Holocaust denial tour.

His speech is in-between the talk from the head of ISIS and the one that the Stalinist Society are holding.

Jeremy Corbyn will be in the front row for the latter.

You think Corbyn is a Stalinist?

Bless.

Meh, one communist is the same as any other.

Bless.

[Preezy]

Is Moggy Denster now? Mogster? Dengy?

[Moggy]

Is Moggy Denster now? Mogster? Dengy?

I just wanted to try out using "bless" when people make silly comments.

Denster has at least one thing right, it is satisfying to reply with one word.

[KK]

You'll just have more people with very unsavoury or radical views speaking; if it crosses a line they'll presumably be arrested. Though as evidenced by the likes of Anjem Choudary you can get away with an awful lot before anything is done about it.

[Knoyleo]

I can't wait for David Irving's uninterrupted nationwide Holocaust denial tour.

His speech is in-between the talk from the head of ISIS and the one that the Stalinist Society are holding.

Jeremy Corbyn will be in the front row for the latter.

You think Corbyn is a Stalinist?

Bless.

Meh, one communist is the same as any other.

chairman lmao

[Moggy]

I can't wait for David Irving's uninterrupted nationwide Holocaust denial tour.

His speech is in-between the talk from the head of ISIS and the one that the Stalinist Society are holding.

Jeremy Corbyn will be in the front row for the latter.

You think Corbyn is a Stalinist?

Bless.

Meh, one communist is the same as any other.

chairman lmao

[captain red dog]

I don't see the issue. Students or faculty will have to invite someone to speak and this law proposes those invites can't be blocked by the University on the grounds that someone is controversial. Let's not forget that attempts were/are being made to block people as tame as Germaine Greer.

This isn't a law that will make it so that anyone can hold a talk at a uni, you would need to be invited.

On the subject of people like David Irving, the best thing that could possibly be done is to give them a platform as he is so easily debunked.

[Moggy]

I don't see the issue. Students or faculty will have to invite someone to speak and this law proposes those invites can't be blocked by the University on the grounds that someone is controversial. Let's not forget that attempts were/are being made to block people as tame as Germaine Greer.

This isn't a law that will make it so that anyone can hold a talk at a uni, you would need to be invited.

Student: "Hey uni, can I ask this literal Nazi to talk to us about how foul Jews are?"
Uni: "No"
Jo Johnson: "Haha, here's your fine!"

On the subject of people like David Irving, the best thing that could possibly be done is to give them a platform as he is so easily debunked.

Because giving them a platform worked so well with the likes of Farage, Trump, Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson.....

[Squinty]

Yeah, I can't say I agree with that either. Parts of the general public are completely thick and would lap up any old shite if it's repeated enough and gives them something to direct their anger at.

[Knoyleo]

On the subject of people like David Irving, the best thing that could possibly be done is to give them a platform as he is so easily debunked.

No it isn't

[KK]

We are talking Universities here, so reasonably intelligent people.

If there's lively debate over some Page 3 models arguing the merits of topless modelling, I'm sure all views will continue to be heavily contested.

[captain red dog]

I don't see the issue. Students or faculty will have to invite someone to speak and this law proposes those invites can't be blocked by the University on the grounds that someone is controversial. Let's not forget that attempts were/are being made to block people as tame as Germaine Greer.

This isn't a law that will make it so that anyone can hold a talk at a uni, you would need to be invited.

Student: "Hey uni, can I ask this literal Nazi to talk to us about how foul Jews are?"
Uni: "No"
Jo Johnson: "Haha, here's your fine!"

On the subject of people like David Irving, the best thing that could possibly be done is to give them a platform as he is so easily debunked.

Because giving them a platform worked so well with the likes of Farage, Trump, Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson.....

I don't really see an issue if a student or faculty group wants Robinson to speak, why on earth wouldn't he be allowed, provided his speech does not incite a crime?

If the same was said about figures on the left like Corbyn, I would be equally dismayed.

Richard Dawkins is another on the left who has been no platformed (in the US, but hey you brought up Trump!).

[That]

Why is it just Universities that have to accept talks from twats? Can I ask the Hitler Superfans Club to come speak at my office? It's FREE SPEECH after all.

[Moggy]

I don't really see an issue if a student or faculty group wants Robinson to speak, why on earth wouldn't he be allowed, provided his speech does not incite a crime?

If the same was said about figures on the left like Corbyn, I would be equally dismayed.

Richard Dawkins is another on the left who has been no platformed (in the US, but hey you brought up Trump!).

If the University and/or Student Union do not want them speaking, then why should they be forced to accommodate them?

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom to speak anywhere that you want.

If some students want to listen to Tommy Robinson, Richard Dawkins or Jeremy Corbyn then they can hire a hall somewhere for them to do it. The university itself shouldn’t be forced to allow anybody in to speak.

[Knoyleo]

Richard Dawkins is another on the left...

Is he?

He's been a Lib Dem supporter since 2009 the mid 2000s.

[captain red dog]

I don't really see an issue if a student or faculty group wants Robinson to speak, why on earth wouldn't he be allowed, provided his speech does not incite a crime?

If the same was said about figures on the left like Corbyn, I would be equally dismayed.

Richard Dawkins is another on the left who has been no platformed (in the US, but hey you brought up Trump!).

If the University and/or Student Union do not want them speaking, then why should they be forced to accommodate them?

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom to speak anywhere that you want.

If some students want to listen to Tommy Robinson, Richard Dawkins or Jeremy Corbyn then they can hire a hall somewhere for them to do it. The university itself shouldn’t be forced to allow anybody in to speak.

So now either nobody gets to speak, or only select speakers decided by a couple of the old white boys at the top of the university administration? If an invite is extended then the person invited should be allowed to speak. Anyone who doesn't like it has the right to protest peacefully like they did with Marine Le Pen I believe, and nobody is forced to attend the talk.

Karl, if universities take public money they do kind of have a duty to ensure freedom of speech is upheld where invites are extended to people to speak. I'm conscious here that there would be legit attempts to shut down people like Boris Johnson which, whilst I detest the man, would be an affront to the principles of free speech.

[Knoyleo]

Yeah, how would Boris Johnson ever get his voice heard if he were to get no platformed by a university?

[Moggy]

So now either nobody gets to speak, or only select speakers decided by a couple of the old white boys at the top of the university administration? If an invite is extended then the person invited should be allowed to speak. Anyone who doesn't like it has the right to protest peacefully like they did with Marine Le Pen I believe, and nobody is forced to attend the talk.

Yeah, the university administration should have no say at all in what goes on in the university…

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to speak wherever you want.