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by Lagamorph » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:40 pm

I wonder if the SNP will actually have answers for things like economic policy, how to handle the Scottish deficit, what they'll do for currency, etc this time around.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:42 pm

Probably the same as they've castigated the Conservatives for: we'll figure all that gooseberry fool out when we get there. In the meantime we're LEAVING.

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by Lagamorph » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:43 pm

THE OIL WILL PAY FOR EVERYTHING

Oil prices are even lower than the last referendum though and it wouldn't have been enough then...

THE OIL!!!!!

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:45 pm

Militarily what would happen as well.

And who's gonna pay for THE WALL?!

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Preezy » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:47 pm

Will English people be able to apply for Scottish citizenship?

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lagamorph » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:50 pm

I can't seriously imagine anything other than completely free and open movement between the UK and Scotland as we have now even in the event of Scottish independence. Anything else would be practically unworkable and would put the SNP in seriously hot water if they pushed for anything else.

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by captain red dog » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:58 pm

Lagamorph wrote:I can't seriously imagine anything other than completely free and open movement between the UK and Scotland as we have now even in the event of Scottish independence. Anything else would be practically unworkable and would put the SNP in seriously hot water if they pushed for anything else.

If Scotland somehow manage to remain in the EEC, that comes with freedom of movement and therefore there will have to be a border.

Really this is an even more ridiculous idea after Brexit. The same Scots that are fearing oblivion as part of a UK outside of Europe somehow believe Scotland has a better chance on its own. :lol:

But honestly, I think Scotland should go independent. It feels like it is inevitable at this point and there is no end game for unionists. The SNP will blame the union for every problem hitting their side of the border no matter how much control they have.

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by Moggy » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:01 pm

captain red dog wrote:Really this is an even more ridiculous idea after Brexit.


What is hilarious is seeing people that supported Brexit being against Scexit. Or those that are confident of Brexit being a jolly marvellous success also thinking that Scexit will be a disaster. :lol:

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by bear » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:03 pm

Lagamorph wrote:I can't seriously imagine anything other than completely free and open movement between the UK and Scotland as we have now even in the event of Scottish independence. Anything else would be practically unworkable and would put the SNP in seriously hot water if they pushed for anything else.


I may be wrong but I believe the Yes side last time around were saying there could be an open border while the No side were saying that'd be impossible.

The Northern Ireland situation is going to work in the Yes sides favour this time around. It's going to be very hard for the No campaign to try and say there will be a hard border while at the same time the UK government will be trying to maintain a "frictionless" border between NI and RoI.

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by bear » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:05 pm

Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Really this is an even more ridiculous idea after Brexit.


What is hilarious is seeing people that supported Brexit being against Scexit. Or those that are confident of Brexit being a jolly marvellous success also thinking that Scexit will be a disaster. :lol:



STOP. :dread:

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by Moggy » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:09 pm

bear wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Really this is an even more ridiculous idea after Brexit.


What is hilarious is seeing people that supported Brexit being against Scexit. Or those that are confident of Brexit being a jolly marvellous success also thinking that Scexit will be a disaster. :lol:



STOP. :dread:


I hated the term Brexit but like the sound of Scexit. Sounds sexy.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by captain red dog » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:10 pm

Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Really this is an even more ridiculous idea after Brexit.


What is hilarious is seeing people that supported Brexit being against Scexit. Or those that are confident of Brexit being a jolly marvellous success also thinking that Scexit will be a disaster. :lol:

What do the experts say on the matter?

From my own point of view I want to see Scotland go independent as I feel it is inevitable, but without full EU membership I'd be very concerned for family and friends north of the border. The UK might hit hard times with Brexit, Scotland at present looks like it would be utterly shanked if it left the UK and EU.

The smart thing to do would be to stick with the UK during these risky years.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Hexx » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:12 pm

twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/841046146470576128




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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:12 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Really this is an even more ridiculous idea after Brexit.


What is hilarious is seeing people that supported Brexit being against Scexit. Or those that are confident of Brexit being a jolly marvellous success also thinking that Scexit will be a disaster. :lol:

What do the experts say on the matter?


Nobody knows as we stopped listening to them. And if we can't hear them then we get to vote on things based on gut feeling and patriotism which is great news for the SNP.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Photek » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:12 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Of course, this presumes that Westminster actually gives her permission to hold a referendum which is anything but certain with the talk coming from there recently.

See that kind of thing is why this may happen, there is still lots of time to discuss other things but they shouldn't need 'permission' in the first place.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:14 pm

Hexx wrote:

twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/841046146470576128




:fp:


That man is such a joke.

"I will have a triple whip forcing my MPs to pass the bill unopposed!"
**the Lords stick an amendment in**
"I am off to demonstrate for something that I never bothered fighting for and ordered my MPs not to do!"

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by Lotus » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:21 pm

Wow, these once-in-a-lifetime referendums sure come round quickly. I knew some parts of Scotland had poor life expectancy, but I didn't think it was that bad.

As for the vote, seems crazy to call for it when Brexit will be going on and the full outcome of that won't be clear. In a way it would be a shame to see this island further divided, but at the same time all you ever hear from the Scots is how hard done by they are and how the big bad English are holding them down, so it would be good to see them go it alone and see how they get on. God help us is they vote no to independence though; more calls for referendums until the SNP get what they want, more complaining, more hypocrisy.

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by Photek » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:26 pm

Lotus wrote:Wow, these once-in-a-lifetime referendums sure come round quickly. I knew some parts of Scotland had poor life expectancy, but I didn't think it was that bad.

As for the vote, seems crazy to call for it when Brexit will be going on and the full outcome of that won't be clear. In a way it would be a shame to see this island further divided, but at the same time all you ever hear from the Scots is how hard done by they are and how the big bad English are holding them down, so it would be good to see them go it alone and see how they get on. God help us is they vote no to independence though; more calls for referendums until the SNP get what they want, more complaining, more hypocrisy.

The English HAVE held them down though, two thirds of scottish people voted to remain, they were warned if they voted for independence in the referendum they might have to leave the EU. That's now going to happen anyway. The facts for independence have changed, I don't see the problem with them wanting to decide their own fate. They also say they have reason to believe that they may be in the EU if they go independent as well.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Hexx » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:27 pm

Lotus wrote:Wow, these once-in-a-lifetime referendums sure come round quickly. I knew some parts of Scotland had poor life expectancy, but I didn't think it was that bad.


:D

Pinching that

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Hexx » Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:28 pm

If IndyRef works (and assuming they magically stay in the EU) Gove and Fox would be EU nationals :D


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