The Politics Thread 3.0

[Eighthours]

May has handled the Grenfell tragedy terribly, but it's not hard to understand why she doesn't think that meeting the residents in non-tightly controlled conditions would be helpful, given the abuse being thrown at her, the people rushing her car yesterday, etc etc. You really think she would have got a fair hearing? It would have been a dangerous situation.

[Rex Kramer]

I think the reaction to her would have been less if she'd gone on Wednesday, her not attending has increased the anger not decreased it.

[Garth]

She may have been heckled, but she should've had the courage to go to them as the leader of this country, show some real compassion and give reassurance personally. Not speaking with the residents just made it seem like she was uncaring or frightened of her own people, which made everyone increasingly angry as time went by. The way she's gone about it has just made things worse, not every situation can be so tightly controlled - as PM, you have to be able to face criticism in difficult times.

[Garth]

Protests against a Conservative/DUP deal today:

twitter.com/KrisAskey/status/876085406214868992

twitter.com/tweetonlondon/status/876081643697700864

[SuperChris]

I feel so relieved we don't have a Tory government here in Wales, disgusting pig strawberry floaters.

[Garth]

[Moggy]

The Schengen agreement doesn't matter. The issue for a lot of people is that any person with EU citizenship can wander into the country. Most people aren't actually concerned about a Polish male who moves here to be a plumber but they are bothered about a Syrian male who claims asylum in Germany and then can move here.

Also the Irish border doesn't currently exist, it's an open border so we are reliant on Irish border control to do their investigation on any persons coming into their country.

No, people cannot just wander into the country, whether they are EU or not.

Syrian's claiming asylum in Germany cannot just move to Britain either.

Both of those are Leave lies.

I thought the asylum part was meant in a "after they acquire any form of EU nationality, they'll then leave that EU country and move to the UK"?

Yes that's exactly what i meant and it does happen because i've met a lot of people who have done this.

I'm currently working on a missing Syrian male who claimed asylum in Italy. He then moved to the UK and has now gone missing.

And people can effectively walk into our country as an EU citizen. Yes if they are known to our security services then they should be stopped at border control but if they are not then they can just wander in. No further checks will be carried up. If I want to just go to Spain i can, i don't need to tell them why i am there, i don't need to tell them when i am coming back to the UK.

If I live in Bristol and just want to live in Brighton then I can, no need to tell them why, no need for checks. Oh no!

A Syrian (and I don't know why they are the bogeymen) cannot just move from somewhere in the EU to the UK. They would have to claim citizenship of that other country first, which takes years.

No doubt some people do move from an EU country to the UK whole only being an asylum seeker, but that's a failing of the border guards (which May was in charge of since 2010) rather than the EU system.

[That]

A Syrian (and I don't know why they are the bogeymen)

Because they're predominantly not white or Christian, and the 'concerns' the far right have about immigration are really about racial identity.

[captain red dog]

Well if we are talking about Syria specifically then you have to take into account that the country is in the midst of a bloody civil war, for which we have supported unknown rebel factions and there is a hot bed of Islamic terror cells operating all over the country. Sadly, it comes with a sizable risk when Europe welcomes so many refugees without the ability to properly control and vett them.

The best response, ironically, was what David Cameron suggested with in country UN refugee camps being set up. For the west and Europe to get into the situation we did with mass deaths in the Med and walking convoys of refugees is just another in a long line of own goals.

I don't want to see the door closed to refugees though, unfortunately Britain played a leading part in destabilising these countries and we have a moral duty to clear up our mess. I don't believe any asylum seekers have attacked us on our own soil yet so generally the system seems to be working for the UK.

[BID0]

If I want to just go to Spain i can, i don't need to tell them why i am there, i don't need to tell them when i am coming back to the UK.

Sounds fantastic, I'd be off to Italy tomorrow if I didn't have a family, mortgage, job etc..

[Squinty]

[Moggy]

A Syrian (and I don't know why they are the bogeymen)

Because they're predominantly not white or Christian, and the 'concerns' the far right have about immigration are really about racial identity.

Shhh, I was pretending that I didn't know why they were the scary bad guys.

Karl, did you know that even dentists don't know how old they are and that the refugees seem to have phones? The bastards!

[BID0]

Apparently next year's Queen Speech is cancelled

[Return_of_the_STAR]

A Syrian (and I don't know why they are the bogeymen)

Because they're predominantly not white or Christian, and the 'concerns' the far right have about immigration are really about racial identity.

Shhh, I was pretending that I didn't know why they were the scary bad guys.

Karl, did you know that even dentists don't know how old they are and that the refugees seem to have phones? The bastards!

I explained that the reason I referenced a Syrian was because we have a missing Syrian asylum seeker at work.

[Garth]

UK PM May will face leadership challenge if she softens Brexit

British Prime Minister Theresa May will face an immediate leadership challenge from eurosceptic lawmakers in her party if she seeks to water down her plans for Brexit, the Sunday Telegraph reported, citing senior Conservative sources.

May, who won the top job in the wake of last year's vote to leave the European Union, had in January set out her plans for Brexit, saying Britain would leave the single market so it could control immigration.

But May's failure to win a majority in last week's election has weakened her position badly and reopened the debate around the Brexit strategy just days before the country opens its divorce talks with Brussels on Monday.

Prompted by her poor election showing, particularly among pro-EU young people who fear losses of jobs and opportunity from Brexit, some of her most senior ministers and two former Conservative prime ministers have called for a rethink.

"If we had a strong signal that she were backsliding I think she would be in major difficulty," the newspaper quoted one unidentified former minister as saying.

"The point is she is not a unifying figure any more. She has really hacked off the parliamentary party for obvious reasons. So I'm afraid to say there is no goodwill towards her."

The newspaper quoted another former minister as saying: "If she weakened on Brexit, the world would fall in... all hell would break loose."

May called the election in a bid to increase her majority and strengthen her hand within her party ahead of the Brexit talks.

But the unexpected weak performance has plunged Britain into a political crisis and left May battling to unite both wings of the Conservative Party - those who want a so-called "hard Brexit" and those who did not want to leave the EU in the first place.

The Sunday Times said ministers within May's cabinet had 'let it be known' they would oust the prime minister if they thought she could not pass the government's legislative program in a vote expected on June 28.

The Times also reported that party members who had campaigned to keep Britain in the EU were likely to have a candidate lined up to replace May, with interior minister Amber Rudd the likely option.

Having lost a majority in parliament, May is in talks with Northern Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party to secure the support of its 10 lawmakers to win any kind of vote, including on the pieces of legislation needed to enact Britain's divorce from the EU.

DUP leader Arlene Foster has said she wants a "sensible Brexit" that works for the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1980TJ

[BID0]

No deal then. Thank god that's better than a bad deal.

[Garth]

Apparently next year's Queen Speech is cancelled

Yup:

Theresa May cancels 2018 Queen’s Speech as DUP pact hangs in the balance

Theresa May has cancelled the 2018 Queen’s Speech to smooth the path for Brexit reforms as a deal with the DUP hangs in the balance.

The Prime Minister announced that a two-year parliamentary session will be launched on Wednesday rather than the traditional one-year session.

The step breaks with historical precedence and was last taken in the early days of the Coalition as it scrambled to create stable government in 2010.

Government sources last night insisted the move was planned before the election and would give time for laws needed for Brexit to be fully debated.

However opposition figures with a knowledge of parliamentary procedure claimed the move was an attempt to shore up Mrs May’s position after failing to win a majority.

The Prime Minister’s new Government is dependent on the support of 10 DUP MPs to remain in place because the Tories lost seats at the snap election.

The Queen’s Speech - which lays out the laws that ministers want to pass in the coming year - is a major moment in the parliamentary diary.

It is seen as a critical test for the Government and failure to win the backing of a majority of MPs is seen as a vote of no confidence.

By cancelling the 2018 Queen’s Speech, Mrs May removes a vote that could have bought down her Government from the diary.

Andrea Leadsom, the Commons Leader, said: “Whilst our top priority right now is supporting the victims of the terrible tragedy at Grenfell tower, we also need to look ahead by setting out a legislative programme that not only delivers a successful EU exit but also a domestic agenda which aims to tackle the social injustices in our country.

“The UK will spend the next two years preparing for our departure from the European Union in a way that best places us to realise the opportunities ahead and build a fairer society.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... s-balance/

[Alvin Flummux]

Is she trying to outdo Blair as most hated PM?

[Denster]

Like it says - it was done in 2010 for similar reasons. Perfectly legitimate.

[Moggy]

A Syrian (and I don't know why they are the bogeymen)

Because they're predominantly not white or Christian, and the 'concerns' the far right have about immigration are really about racial identity.

Shhh, I was pretending that I didn't know why they were the scary bad guys.

Karl, did you know that even dentists don't know how old they are and that the refugees seem to have phones? The bastards!

I explained that the reason I referenced a Syrian was because we have a missing Syrian asylum seeker at work.

Apologies mate, I was a little drunk when I wrote that and didn't mean to insinuate that you were one of the idiots demanding dental checks on immigrants. I worded it poorly and didn't mean it to be aimed at you.