The Politics Thread 3.0

[Memento Mori]

Some moronic farmer on ITV News now thinks he's going to get more farm subsidies after brexit.

[Eighthours]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-in-crime

What a load of gooseberry fool. Did anyone see the interview? SHE DID IT AGAIN.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/21/tv-journalists-make-diane-abbott-look-stupid-rise-in-crime

What a load of gooseberry fool. Did anyone see the interview? SHE DID IT AGAIN.

You are only saying that because she's a woman black diabetic stupid. She's running out of excuses.

[Lex-Man]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/21/tv-journalists-make-diane-abbott-look-stupid-rise-in-crime

What a load of gooseberry fool. Did anyone see the interview? SHE DID IT AGAIN.

You are only saying that because she's a woman black diabetic stupid. She's running out of excuses.

I think she has a point about other MPs though. Boris has managed to get embroiled in scandal after scandal and still gets a relatively easy time in the press.

[Denster]

Guy on Destiny 2 beta last night was called Jeremy Corbin. I shot that bastard a lot.

[Knoyleo]

Guy on Destiny 2 beta last night was called Jeremy Corbin. I shot that bastard a lot.

Good, that Sun headline was terrible.

[Hypes]

You killed a fellow Tory?

[TigaSefi]

1) BBC gender inequality scandal is funny as strawberry float!

2) Corbyn's denial about the student loan write off is even funnier!!

[satriales]

1) BBC gender inequality scandal is funny as strawberry float!

2) Corbyn's denial about the student loan write off is even funnier!!

As an ex-student still paying off my debt, I don't recall Labour ever promising to clear it. I remember them saying they wanted to but couldn't make that commitment, so I'm not sure why the papers and BBC are now acting like it was an election pledge.

[Eighthours]

1) BBC gender inequality scandal is funny as strawberry float!

2) Corbyn's denial about the student loan write off is even funnier!!

As an ex-student still paying off my debt, I don't recall Labour ever promising to clear it. I remember them saying they wanted to but couldn't make that commitment, so I'm not sure why the papers and BBC are now acting like it was an election pledge.

Corbyn told NME during the election campaign (an interview targeted towards students):

First of all, we want to get rid of student fees altogether. We’ll do it as soon as we get in, and we’ll then introduce legislation to ensure that any student going from the 2017-18 academic year will not pay fees. They will pay them, but we’ll rebate them when we’ve got the legislation through – that’s fundamentally the principle behind it. Yes, there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.

I don’t have the simple answer for it at this stage – I don’t think anybody would expect me to, because this election was called unexpectedly; we had two weeks to prepare all of this – but I’m very well aware of that problem. And I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after. I will deal with it.

See that last bit? That's a pledge. It got him a lot of votes. That's why all the latest words on it are causing him a bit of hassle.

NME headline for the interview: 'Jeremy Corbyn: ‘I will deal with those already burdened with student debt’. Did Labour complain about the headline? No.

http://www.nme.com/news/jeremy-corbyn-w ... bt-2082478

[Garth]

What did he mean when he said these bits?

there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.

I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after

To me that doesn't say the same thing as:
"We will write off all student debt."

Instead, they were thinking of ways to reduce the burden of existing debts, especially for people burdened with the largest debts.

It's two completely different things.

If Labour were somehow clearly promising to write off all student debt, why would they have even been talking about coming up with ideas to reduce the existing debt burden?

[Eighthours]

What did he mean when he said these bits?

there is a block of those that currently have a massive debt, and I’m looking at ways that we could reduce that, ameliorate that, lengthen the period of paying it off, or some other means of reducing that debt burden.

I don’t see why those that had the historical misfortune to be at university during the £9,000 period should be burdened excessively compared to those that went before or those that come after

To me that doesn't say the same thing as:
"We will write off all student debt."

Instead, they were thinking of ways to reduce the burden of existing debts, especially for people burdened with the largest debts.

It's two completely different things.

If Labour were somehow clearly promising to write off all student debt, why would they have even been talking about coming up with ideas to reduce the existing debt burden?

He said he'd deal with historic debt, using the methods listed above or others. He's now saying he won't. I'm not talking about complete write-offs, I just provided the quotes. There's a clear change from what he said in the election. It got him a lot of votes and he didn't correct it during the campaign. Look at the tweets quoted in this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/j ... bff0f22306

As Nick Clegg found out to his cost, students remember. So Corbyn needs to be careful.

[Tafdolphin]

Tbh, much more concerned about this gooseberry fool

Labour would leave single market, says Jeremy Corbyn

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... _clipboard

[Return_of_the_STAR]

Tbh, much more concerned about this gooseberry fool

Labour would leave single market, says Jeremy Corbyn

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... _clipboard

Yeah it amazes me how so many people don't seem to realise how anti EU Corbyn is, especially young labour voters and DM readers. The amount of times I've read comments on the DM site about Corbyn trying to derail Brexit, go against the will of the people, plot to keep us in the EU etc.. and also I've heard so many young voters talk as though Corbyn is the saviour and will stop the tories from taking us out of the EU.

There is essentially no opposition to the Tories on Brexit. Well except Chuka Umunna who is now becoming vocal about it but in my eyes it's all too late. He ran off scared at challenging Corbyn in the past and no only seems interested at the thought that Corbyn has very different ideas around the EU to most people who support labour.

[Garth]

He said he'd deal with historic debt, using the methods listed above or others. He's now saying he won't. I'm not talking about complete write-offs, I just provided the quotes. There's a clear change from what he said in the election.

Didn't Corbyn say on Sunday they've established a working party to look into that side of things?

Speaking as someone with student debt, I find it pretty frustrating that the public debate now has one side incorrectly claiming Labour said they would write off all existing student debt, when Labour didn't promise that at all. It's obviously and deliberately misrepresenting what was said in an attempt to mislead young people into a backlash against Corbyn and Labour. Labour wants to scrap tuition fees going forward - that was their big tuition fees promise, it was in their manifesto, and they haven't backtracked on wanting to do that. The talk about historic student debt was about reducing the burden rather than writing it off completely, but a lot of reporters and Conservatives seem to have missed that.

[Preezy]

Feel vindicated in not voting for that hack Jezza. What a skeez.

[Squinty]

People voted for him because he was a better (albeit not very much) alternative to Theresa May's shitshow of doom, gloom and u-turnathons.

Let's be honest here, even though his manifesto was costed, a lot of it wasn't ever going to happen.

[Moggy]

So Corbyn is now in trouble because he said some things about student loans, but that did not appear in the Labour manifesto? And he didn't win the election making it impossible to decide if he lied or not.

Whereas the Tories are in power but have dumped pretty much every manifesto promise that they made, but that's ok?

[Hexx]

Well none of those manifesto commitments likely won then any votes...

So it's not entirely the same

Lab/Corbyn/EU is a nightmare to try and decode. The current "thinking" from supports is what he means is "We will leave the Single Markter as we leave the EU but the renegotiate access to it" but there doesn't seem to be a great to support the second bit.

[Moggy]

I don't support Corbyn, but people attack him with the strangest arguments. The student loan thing just makes very little sense as a thing to attack him over.