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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by DML » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:01 pm

captain red dog wrote:
DML wrote:The problem with suggesting the Tories haven't backtracked on lies is that they've told more lies than any political party in modern history.

Every major party should be held to account, but none of them are likely to overtake in the pure filthy lie stakes.

Hmm, I actually think "New Labour" set the standards when it comes to that sort of thing. That's partly why there has been such a push from the grassroots to move back to the left.


You think Brexit is a good idea though. You have no idea how many lies you've been told there. It is not even unlikely it will work, it's nigh on impossible. Give it a year or two if you must, but I don't need the confirmation.

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by Garth » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:24 pm

Hyperion wrote:Hmm, I've managed to insert myself into a Twitter arguement between Angela Rayner and a Telegraph journalist.
Probably influencing 30 million people here :o

I've inserted myself too.

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by Lagamorph » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:00 pm

I honestly don't understand why young people, who are generally speaking overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in the EU, even consider supporting a Corbyn led Labour party. You might as well support Nigel Farage.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Hypes » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:02 pm

Really?

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by That » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:06 pm

Lagamorph wrote:I honestly don't understand why young people, who are generally speaking overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in the EU, even consider supporting a Corbyn led Labour party. You might as well support Nigel Farage.


You don't understand why young people would vote for the alternative to the Tories most likely to actually beat them?

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by Moggy » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:06 pm

Lagamorph wrote:I honestly don't understand why young people, who are generally speaking overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in the EU, even consider supporting a Corbyn led Labour party. You might as well support Nigel Farage.


Because the only realistic choices for government are the Conservative party or the Labour party.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lagamorph » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:08 pm

Thing is the only reason it's like that is because everyone thinks it is. How many people are put off voting for the Lib Dems purely because "Well they won't win so what's the point?"

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Hypes » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:09 pm

Probably many thousands, but also political support and general elections aren't a single issue thing

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by That » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:10 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Thing is the only reason it's like that is because everyone thinks it is. How many people are put off voting for the Lib Dems purely because "Well they won't win so what's the point?"


It'll be like that until we get PR unfortunately. :(

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by Moggy » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:11 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Thing is the only reason it's like that is because everyone thinks it is. How many people are put off voting for the Lib Dems purely because "Well they won't win so what's the point?"


A lot are put off by that. And they are right.

A lot are put off by the Clegg betrayals. And they are right.

A lot just don't take the Lib Dems seriously. And they are right.

I was always a Lib Dem voter. I still prefer them to the big two. But, unless you live in a strong Lib Dem area (of which there are very few), it's a wasted vote when you are desperately trying to stop May's government.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Eighthours » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:14 am

DML wrote:The problem with suggesting the Tories haven't backtracked on lies is that they've told more lies than any political party in modern history.

Every major party should be held to account, but none of them are likely to overtake in the pure filthy lie stakes.


I raise you the BNP. ;)

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Eighthours » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:16 am

Lagamorph wrote:I honestly don't understand why young people, who are generally speaking overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in the EU, even consider supporting a Corbyn led Labour party. You might as well support Nigel Farage.


My aunt (who is sadly no longer with us) was the other way around. She hated the EU but always voted for the Lib Dems, which I thought was a bit odd. :D

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by DML » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:35 pm

Eighthours wrote:
DML wrote:The problem with suggesting the Tories haven't backtracked on lies is that they've told more lies than any political party in modern history.

Every major party should be held to account, but none of them are likely to overtake in the pure filthy lie stakes.


I raise you the BNP. ;)


Not great reading there Eight.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:47 pm

DML wrote:
Eighthours wrote:
DML wrote:The problem with suggesting the Tories haven't backtracked on lies is that they've told more lies than any political party in modern history.

Every major party should be held to account, but none of them are likely to overtake in the pure filthy lie stakes.


I raise you the BNP. ;)


Not great reading there Eight.


I raise you Lord Buckethead. ;)

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lex-Man » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:20 pm

Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:
Eighthours wrote:
DML wrote:The problem with suggesting the Tories haven't backtracked on lies is that they've told more lies than any political party in modern history.

Every major party should be held to account, but none of them are likely to overtake in the pure filthy lie stakes.


I raise you the BNP. ;)


Not great reading there Eight.


I raise you Lord Buckethead. ;)


You doubt Lord Buckethead's abilities?

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:22 pm

lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:
Eighthours wrote:
DML wrote:The problem with suggesting the Tories haven't backtracked on lies is that they've told more lies than any political party in modern history.

Every major party should be held to account, but none of them are likely to overtake in the pure filthy lie stakes.


I raise you the BNP. ;)


Not great reading there Eight.


I raise you Lord Buckethead. ;)


You doubt Lord Buckethead's abilities?


No, bit there was plenty of stuff that one of his supporters promised that LB wouldn't have delivered on.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Winckle » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:32 pm

Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:
Eighthours wrote:
DML wrote:The problem with suggesting the Tories haven't backtracked on lies is that they've told more lies than any political party in modern history.

Every major party should be held to account, but none of them are likely to overtake in the pure filthy lie stakes.


I raise you the BNP. ;)


Not great reading there Eight.


I raise you Lord Buckethead. ;)


You doubt Lord Buckethead's abilities?


No, bit there was plenty of stuff that one of his supporters promised that LB wouldn't have delivered on.

And yet the media focus on Labour :x

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:34 pm

Winckle wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
DML wrote:
Eighthours wrote:
DML wrote:The problem with suggesting the Tories haven't backtracked on lies is that they've told more lies than any political party in modern history.

Every major party should be held to account, but none of them are likely to overtake in the pure filthy lie stakes.


I raise you the BNP. ;)


Not great reading there Eight.


I raise you Lord Buckethead. ;)


You doubt Lord Buckethead's abilities?


No, bit there was plenty of stuff that one of his supporters promised that LB wouldn't have delivered on.

And yet the media focus on Labour :x


Lord Buckethead promised to bring back Ceefax.

Is Ceefax back?

Has Lord Buckethead campaign since the election for it to return?

He is a fraud that stole 131 votes. Which was more actual votes cast than Eighty's favourite Labour MP got retweets.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:33 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
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Moggy wrote:So Corbyn is now in trouble because he said some things about student loans, but that did not appear in the Labour manifesto? And he didn't win the election making it impossible to decide if he lied or not.

Whereas the Tories are in power but have dumped pretty much every manifesto promise that they made, but that's ok?


Yep. I suppose it could affect him in the long term or whenever the next GE is called. But the fact that he's not even in power makes this kind of silly to me. Makes me wonder what gooseberry fool news the Conservative party is trying to suppress.

They're in talks to allow exports of chlorinated American chicken to the UK. The American Farming association are basically saying that any trade deal between the US and UK must allow the export of chlorine washed chicken and hormone fed beef.

The UK would back out of any trade deal that required it to accept lower standards, such as allowing imports of chlorinated chicken from the US, the environment secretary has said, deepening the cabinet split over the issue.

Michael Gove has opposed the suggestion by the trade secretary, Liam Fox, that the UK should be open to the prospect of allowing poultry treated with a chlorine wash process, which is banned by the EU, as part of a trade deal with the US.

The row has overshadowed Fox’s trip to America this week to discuss the potential for a deal and, on Wednesday, Gove went further, indicating that lowering environmental or agricultural standards would be a deal-breaker.

On BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, Gove was asked whether chlorinated chicken, given as an example of a product that does not meet EU standards but which the US produces, should be allowed. “No,” he said.

Gove agreed that the US would have to “kiss goodbye” to a trade deal if it included such imports. “Critically, we need to ensure that we do not compromise those standards. And I said last week when I was speaking to the WWF environmental charity that we need to be in a position as we leave the European Union to be leaders in environmental and in animal welfare standards.”

Theresa May’s spokesman did not respond to a request for comment on Wednesday and has repeatedly declined to answer questions about food standards protections during trade negotiations in the past.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-liam-fox

Nobody singing from the same hymn sheet, it would seem.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Tineash » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:34 pm

Well if there's anyone who can manage to outflank Gove on trans-atlantic toadying, it's Liam Fox.

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