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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by Corazon de Leon » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:27 pm

Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hime wrote:You think that there was as much hype about Marvel when Thor and Iron Man were released as this there is now? I don't know what the numbers say but I thought they became popular in time but there wasn't much pre-release hype.


There was loads of hype. And lots of money being made. That was the reason Disney bought them, the Marvel movies were massively successful. Disney didn't do a lot there.

Same with Star Wars, it was popular with fans but the current hype around Star Wars is due to the good films Disney has put out.


I am sorry to be rude, but you are talking absolute shite. :lol:

I agree that I should have worried that differently to say that the current level of success both franchises are having is due to Disney.


Except that is not true.

So Star Wars as a brand hasn't been invigorated in any way by The Force Awakens after the awful prequels? What was happening with Star Wars? Were Lucas Arsts going to release more films?

I believe Disney has improved the franchise by releasing better quality films and things like Star Wars in Disney stores has increased the market size you include another generation.

I'll have a look at the figures for Thor and Iron Man, just out of interest more than anything as I really don't remember them being that big compared to X-Men and Spiderman.


Worldwide box office gross for marvel IP based movies released around the time of the first Iron Man:

Marvel Studios' Iron Man (2008) - $585m
Marvel Studios' The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $263m
Marvel Studios' Punisher: War Zone (2008) - $10.1m
Sony's Spider-Man 3 (2007) - $890.9m
Columbia's Ghost Rider (2007) - $228.7m (how the strawberry float...?)
Fox's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) - $289m
Fox's X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - $459.4m
Fox's X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - $373.1m

So they were doing pretty well.

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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by Moggy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:33 pm

Saigon Slick wrote:
Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hime wrote:You think that there was as much hype about Marvel when Thor and Iron Man were released as this there is now? I don't know what the numbers say but I thought they became popular in time but there wasn't much pre-release hype.


There was loads of hype. And lots of money being made. That was the reason Disney bought them, the Marvel movies were massively successful. Disney didn't do a lot there.

Same with Star Wars, it was popular with fans but the current hype around Star Wars is due to the good films Disney has put out.


I am sorry to be rude, but you are talking absolute shite. :lol:

I agree that I should have worried that differently to say that the current level of success both franchises are having is due to Disney.


Except that is not true.

So Star Wars as a brand hasn't been invigorated in any way by The Force Awakens after the awful prequels? What was happening with Star Wars? Were Lucas Arsts going to release more films?

I believe Disney has improved the franchise by releasing better quality films and things like Star Wars in Disney stores has increased the market size you include another generation.

I'll have a look at the figures for Thor and Iron Man, just out of interest more than anything as I really don't remember them being that big compared to X-Men and Spiderman.


Worldwide box office gross for marvel IP based movies released around the time of the first Iron Man:

Marvel Studios' Iron Man (2008) - $585m
Marvel Studios' The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $263m
Marvel Studios' Punisher: War Zone (2008) - $10.1m
Sony's Spider-Man 3 (2007) - $890.9m
Columbia's Ghost Rider (2007) - $228.7m (how the strawberry float...?)
Fox's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) - $289m
Fox's X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - $459.4m
Fox's X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - $373.1m

So they were doing pretty well.


To be fair to Hime, most of those are not Marvel movies but movies made by Sony/Fox based on Marvel IP.

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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by Corazon de Leon » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:56 pm

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hime wrote:You think that there was as much hype about Marvel when Thor and Iron Man were released as this there is now? I don't know what the numbers say but I thought they became popular in time but there wasn't much pre-release hype.


There was loads of hype. And lots of money being made. That was the reason Disney bought them, the Marvel movies were massively successful. Disney didn't do a lot there.

Same with Star Wars, it was popular with fans but the current hype around Star Wars is due to the good films Disney has put out.


I am sorry to be rude, but you are talking absolute shite. :lol:

I agree that I should have worried that differently to say that the current level of success both franchises are having is due to Disney.


Except that is not true.

So Star Wars as a brand hasn't been invigorated in any way by The Force Awakens after the awful prequels? What was happening with Star Wars? Were Lucas Arsts going to release more films?

I believe Disney has improved the franchise by releasing better quality films and things like Star Wars in Disney stores has increased the market size you include another generation.

I'll have a look at the figures for Thor and Iron Man, just out of interest more than anything as I really don't remember them being that big compared to X-Men and Spiderman.


Worldwide box office gross for marvel IP based movies released around the time of the first Iron Man:

Marvel Studios' Iron Man (2008) - $585m
Marvel Studios' The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $263m
Marvel Studios' Punisher: War Zone (2008) - $10.1m
Sony's Spider-Man 3 (2007) - $890.9m
Columbia's Ghost Rider (2007) - $228.7m (how the strawberry float...?)
Fox's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) - $289m
Fox's X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - $459.4m
Fox's X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - $373.1m

So they were doing pretty well.


To be fair to Hime, most of those are not Marvel movies but movies made by Sony/Fox based on Marvel IP.


The point of the post was to compare Marvel's output with Fox and Sony - he mentioned in one of his posts that he thought Spider-Man and X-Men did much better numbers.

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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by Moggy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:58 pm

Saigon Slick wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hime wrote:You think that there was as much hype about Marvel when Thor and Iron Man were released as this there is now? I don't know what the numbers say but I thought they became popular in time but there wasn't much pre-release hype.


There was loads of hype. And lots of money being made. That was the reason Disney bought them, the Marvel movies were massively successful. Disney didn't do a lot there.

Same with Star Wars, it was popular with fans but the current hype around Star Wars is due to the good films Disney has put out.


I am sorry to be rude, but you are talking absolute shite. :lol:

I agree that I should have worried that differently to say that the current level of success both franchises are having is due to Disney.


Except that is not true.

So Star Wars as a brand hasn't been invigorated in any way by The Force Awakens after the awful prequels? What was happening with Star Wars? Were Lucas Arsts going to release more films?

I believe Disney has improved the franchise by releasing better quality films and things like Star Wars in Disney stores has increased the market size you include another generation.

I'll have a look at the figures for Thor and Iron Man, just out of interest more than anything as I really don't remember them being that big compared to X-Men and Spiderman.


Worldwide box office gross for marvel IP based movies released around the time of the first Iron Man:

Marvel Studios' Iron Man (2008) - $585m
Marvel Studios' The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $263m
Marvel Studios' Punisher: War Zone (2008) - $10.1m
Sony's Spider-Man 3 (2007) - $890.9m
Columbia's Ghost Rider (2007) - $228.7m (how the strawberry float...?)
Fox's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) - $289m
Fox's X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - $459.4m
Fox's X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - $373.1m

So they were doing pretty well.


To be fair to Hime, most of those are not Marvel movies but movies made by Sony/Fox based on Marvel IP.


The point of the post was to compare Marvel's output with Fox and Sony - he mentioned in one of his posts that he thought Spider-Man and X-Men did much better numbers.


Ahh, sorry I see.

On that basis though, Spider-Man 3 is the best movie.

:dread:

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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by Corazon de Leon » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:17 pm

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hime wrote:You think that there was as much hype about Marvel when Thor and Iron Man were released as this there is now? I don't know what the numbers say but I thought they became popular in time but there wasn't much pre-release hype.


There was loads of hype. And lots of money being made. That was the reason Disney bought them, the Marvel movies were massively successful. Disney didn't do a lot there.

Same with Star Wars, it was popular with fans but the current hype around Star Wars is due to the good films Disney has put out.


I am sorry to be rude, but you are talking absolute shite. :lol:

I agree that I should have worried that differently to say that the current level of success both franchises are having is due to Disney.


Except that is not true.

So Star Wars as a brand hasn't been invigorated in any way by The Force Awakens after the awful prequels? What was happening with Star Wars? Were Lucas Arsts going to release more films?

I believe Disney has improved the franchise by releasing better quality films and things like Star Wars in Disney stores has increased the market size you include another generation.

I'll have a look at the figures for Thor and Iron Man, just out of interest more than anything as I really don't remember them being that big compared to X-Men and Spiderman.


Worldwide box office gross for marvel IP based movies released around the time of the first Iron Man:

Marvel Studios' Iron Man (2008) - $585m
Marvel Studios' The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $263m
Marvel Studios' Punisher: War Zone (2008) - $10.1m
Sony's Spider-Man 3 (2007) - $890.9m
Columbia's Ghost Rider (2007) - $228.7m (how the strawberry float...?)
Fox's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) - $289m
Fox's X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - $459.4m
Fox's X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - $373.1m

So they were doing pretty well.


To be fair to Hime, most of those are not Marvel movies but movies made by Sony/Fox based on Marvel IP.


The point of the post was to compare Marvel's output with Fox and Sony - he mentioned in one of his posts that he thought Spider-Man and X-Men did much better numbers.


Ahh, sorry I see.

On that basis though, Spider-Man 3 is the best movie.

:dread:


It's still the highest grossing Spider-Man film without adjusting for inflation(if you do the first two break $1 billion I think).

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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by Moggy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:20 pm

Saigon Slick wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hime wrote:You think that there was as much hype about Marvel when Thor and Iron Man were released as this there is now? I don't know what the numbers say but I thought they became popular in time but there wasn't much pre-release hype.


There was loads of hype. And lots of money being made. That was the reason Disney bought them, the Marvel movies were massively successful. Disney didn't do a lot there.

Same with Star Wars, it was popular with fans but the current hype around Star Wars is due to the good films Disney has put out.


I am sorry to be rude, but you are talking absolute shite. :lol:

I agree that I should have worried that differently to say that the current level of success both franchises are having is due to Disney.


Except that is not true.

So Star Wars as a brand hasn't been invigorated in any way by The Force Awakens after the awful prequels? What was happening with Star Wars? Were Lucas Arsts going to release more films?

I believe Disney has improved the franchise by releasing better quality films and things like Star Wars in Disney stores has increased the market size you include another generation.

I'll have a look at the figures for Thor and Iron Man, just out of interest more than anything as I really don't remember them being that big compared to X-Men and Spiderman.


Worldwide box office gross for marvel IP based movies released around the time of the first Iron Man:

Marvel Studios' Iron Man (2008) - $585m
Marvel Studios' The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $263m
Marvel Studios' Punisher: War Zone (2008) - $10.1m
Sony's Spider-Man 3 (2007) - $890.9m
Columbia's Ghost Rider (2007) - $228.7m (how the strawberry float...?)
Fox's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) - $289m
Fox's X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - $459.4m
Fox's X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - $373.1m

So they were doing pretty well.


To be fair to Hime, most of those are not Marvel movies but movies made by Sony/Fox based on Marvel IP.


The point of the post was to compare Marvel's output with Fox and Sony - he mentioned in one of his posts that he thought Spider-Man and X-Men did much better numbers.


Ahh, sorry I see.

On that basis though, Spider-Man 3 is the best movie.

:dread:


It's still the highest grossing Spider-Man film without adjusting for inflation(if you do the first two break $1 billion I think).


:dread:

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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by Corazon de Leon » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:29 pm

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hime wrote:You think that there was as much hype about Marvel when Thor and Iron Man were released as this there is now? I don't know what the numbers say but I thought they became popular in time but there wasn't much pre-release hype.


There was loads of hype. And lots of money being made. That was the reason Disney bought them, the Marvel movies were massively successful. Disney didn't do a lot there.

Same with Star Wars, it was popular with fans but the current hype around Star Wars is due to the good films Disney has put out.


I am sorry to be rude, but you are talking absolute shite. :lol:

I agree that I should have worried that differently to say that the current level of success both franchises are having is due to Disney.


Except that is not true.

So Star Wars as a brand hasn't been invigorated in any way by The Force Awakens after the awful prequels? What was happening with Star Wars? Were Lucas Arsts going to release more films?

I believe Disney has improved the franchise by releasing better quality films and things like Star Wars in Disney stores has increased the market size you include another generation.

I'll have a look at the figures for Thor and Iron Man, just out of interest more than anything as I really don't remember them being that big compared to X-Men and Spiderman.


Worldwide box office gross for marvel IP based movies released around the time of the first Iron Man:

Marvel Studios' Iron Man (2008) - $585m
Marvel Studios' The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $263m
Marvel Studios' Punisher: War Zone (2008) - $10.1m
Sony's Spider-Man 3 (2007) - $890.9m
Columbia's Ghost Rider (2007) - $228.7m (how the strawberry float...?)
Fox's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) - $289m
Fox's X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - $459.4m
Fox's X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - $373.1m

So they were doing pretty well.


To be fair to Hime, most of those are not Marvel movies but movies made by Sony/Fox based on Marvel IP.


The point of the post was to compare Marvel's output with Fox and Sony - he mentioned in one of his posts that he thought Spider-Man and X-Men did much better numbers.


Ahh, sorry I see.

On that basis though, Spider-Man 3 is the best movie.

:dread:


It's still the highest grossing Spider-Man film without adjusting for inflation(if you do the first two break $1 billion I think).


:dread:


It had the good fortune of following the best film of the series and rode on the coat-tails of Spider-Man 2 I think. Homecoming gave it the old college try and took $880,166,924, but fell just short.

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by Lagamorph » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:31 pm

Saigon Slick wrote:Columbia's Ghost Rider (2007) - $228.7m (how the strawberry float...?)

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by BID0 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:18 pm

The MCU movies are also done on a shoestring budget compared to similar movies so they don’t need as much to break even. Every single one has made a profit which is a first for Hollywood, the vast majority of the MCU flicks making many more times their budget. Disney have very little to do with the making of these movies right now because they’ve always been so successful.

Star Wars is huge and always has been :?

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by Corazon de Leon » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:23 pm

Avengers is the only franchise to have never grossed under $1 billion too.

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by Preezy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:26 pm

I wonder if Disney will finally bin off The Simpsons.

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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by Hime » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:18 pm

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hime wrote:You think that there was as much hype about Marvel when Thor and Iron Man were released as this there is now? I don't know what the numbers say but I thought they became popular in time but there wasn't much pre-release hype.


There was loads of hype. And lots of money being made. That was the reason Disney bought them, the Marvel movies were massively successful. Disney didn't do a lot there.

Same with Star Wars, it was popular with fans but the current hype around Star Wars is due to the good films Disney has put out.


I am sorry to be rude, but you are talking absolute shite. :lol:

I agree that I should have worried that differently to say that the current level of success both franchises are having is due to Disney.


Except that is not true.

So Star Wars as a brand hasn't been invigorated in any way by The Force Awakens after the awful prequels? What was happening with Star Wars? Were Lucas Arsts going to release more films?

I believe Disney has improved the franchise by releasing better quality films and things like Star Wars in Disney stores has increased the market size you include another generation.

I'll have a look at the figures for Thor and Iron Man, just out of interest more than anything as I really don't remember them being that big compared to X-Men and Spiderman.


Worldwide box office gross for marvel IP based movies released around the time of the first Iron Man:

Marvel Studios' Iron Man (2008) - $585m
Marvel Studios' The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $263m
Marvel Studios' Punisher: War Zone (2008) - $10.1m
Sony's Spider-Man 3 (2007) - $890.9m
Columbia's Ghost Rider (2007) - $228.7m (how the strawberry float...?)
Fox's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) - $289m
Fox's X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - $459.4m
Fox's X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - $373.1m

So they were doing pretty well.


To be fair to Hime, most of those are not Marvel movies but movies made by Sony/Fox based on Marvel IP.

I only referenced the Fox and Sony movies as Marvel movies that had a lot of hype around them. On that list other than Iron Man the Marvel Studios films are the worst performing.

Have these figures not improved under Disney at all then?

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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by Moggy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:23 pm

Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hime wrote:You think that there was as much hype about Marvel when Thor and Iron Man were released as this there is now? I don't know what the numbers say but I thought they became popular in time but there wasn't much pre-release hype.


There was loads of hype. And lots of money being made. That was the reason Disney bought them, the Marvel movies were massively successful. Disney didn't do a lot there.

Same with Star Wars, it was popular with fans but the current hype around Star Wars is due to the good films Disney has put out.


I am sorry to be rude, but you are talking absolute shite. :lol:

I agree that I should have worried that differently to say that the current level of success both franchises are having is due to Disney.


Except that is not true.

So Star Wars as a brand hasn't been invigorated in any way by The Force Awakens after the awful prequels? What was happening with Star Wars? Were Lucas Arsts going to release more films?

I believe Disney has improved the franchise by releasing better quality films and things like Star Wars in Disney stores has increased the market size you include another generation.

I'll have a look at the figures for Thor and Iron Man, just out of interest more than anything as I really don't remember them being that big compared to X-Men and Spiderman.


Worldwide box office gross for marvel IP based movies released around the time of the first Iron Man:

Marvel Studios' Iron Man (2008) - $585m
Marvel Studios' The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $263m
Marvel Studios' Punisher: War Zone (2008) - $10.1m
Sony's Spider-Man 3 (2007) - $890.9m
Columbia's Ghost Rider (2007) - $228.7m (how the strawberry float...?)
Fox's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) - $289m
Fox's X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - $459.4m
Fox's X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - $373.1m

So they were doing pretty well.


To be fair to Hime, most of those are not Marvel movies but movies made by Sony/Fox based on Marvel IP.

I only referenced the Fox and Sony movies as Marvel movies that had a lot of hype around them. On that list other than Iron Man the Marvel Studios films are the worst performing.

Have these figures not improved under Disney at all then?


The second highest grossing on that list was a Marvel Studios movie. :lol:

I wouldn’t count the Punisher movie, nobody bothers with Punisher movies. The Hulk movie was just before the proper start of the MCU and was awful.

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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by Corazon de Leon » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:46 pm

Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hime wrote:You think that there was as much hype about Marvel when Thor and Iron Man were released as this there is now? I don't know what the numbers say but I thought they became popular in time but there wasn't much pre-release hype.


There was loads of hype. And lots of money being made. That was the reason Disney bought them, the Marvel movies were massively successful. Disney didn't do a lot there.

Same with Star Wars, it was popular with fans but the current hype around Star Wars is due to the good films Disney has put out.


I am sorry to be rude, but you are talking absolute shite. :lol:

I agree that I should have worried that differently to say that the current level of success both franchises are having is due to Disney.


Except that is not true.

So Star Wars as a brand hasn't been invigorated in any way by The Force Awakens after the awful prequels? What was happening with Star Wars? Were Lucas Arsts going to release more films?

I believe Disney has improved the franchise by releasing better quality films and things like Star Wars in Disney stores has increased the market size you include another generation.

I'll have a look at the figures for Thor and Iron Man, just out of interest more than anything as I really don't remember them being that big compared to X-Men and Spiderman.


Worldwide box office gross for marvel IP based movies released around the time of the first Iron Man:

Marvel Studios' Iron Man (2008) - $585m
Marvel Studios' The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $263m
Marvel Studios' Punisher: War Zone (2008) - $10.1m
Sony's Spider-Man 3 (2007) - $890.9m
Columbia's Ghost Rider (2007) - $228.7m (how the strawberry float...?)
Fox's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) - $289m
Fox's X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - $459.4m
Fox's X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - $373.1m

So they were doing pretty well.


To be fair to Hime, most of those are not Marvel movies but movies made by Sony/Fox based on Marvel IP.

I only referenced the Fox and Sony movies as Marvel movies that had a lot of hype around them. On that list other than Iron Man the Marvel Studios films are the worst performing.

Have these figures not improved under Disney at all then?


Bear in mind that Marvel's cinematic arm was just finding their feet - a better comparison to Iron Man might be the major studio debuts of other Marvel characters like Blade(New Line, 1998 - $131.2m), Spider-Man(Sony, 2002 - $821.7m), X-Men(Fox, 2000 - $296.3m), the Fantastic Four(Fox, 2005 - $330.6m) or Daredevil(Fox, 2003 - $179.2m).

I think you can discount Spider-Man as an anomaly in the sense that the character is much more established than the vast majority of other characters, on the Batman level of A-tier characters, so the first big budget film based in that world was always going to do silly numbers. Iron Man was a massive risk that paid off in a big way, and Incredible Hulk was a profitable misfire IIRC. Punisher is discountable because it was made on a shoestring and was utter bobbins.

Yes Marvel have just about doubled their box office grosses from phase 1 under Disney, but they were very successful, very quickly - Iron Man 2 made $623.9m in 2010, Thor made $449.3m in 2011 and Captain America: TFA made $370.6m the same year - impressive for what was essentially a period drama with ray guns. With that in mind I do really take the point that Disney bought out a successful blockbuster factory in the MCU and simply let them achieve their already stated goals.

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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by Hime » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:54 pm

Saigon Slick wrote:
Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Saigon Slick wrote:
Hime wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Hime wrote:You think that there was as much hype about Marvel when Thor and Iron Man were released as this there is now? I don't know what the numbers say but I thought they became popular in time but there wasn't much pre-release hype.


There was loads of hype. And lots of money being made. That was the reason Disney bought them, the Marvel movies were massively successful. Disney didn't do a lot there.

Same with Star Wars, it was popular with fans but the current hype around Star Wars is due to the good films Disney has put out.


I am sorry to be rude, but you are talking absolute shite. :lol:

I agree that I should have worried that differently to say that the current level of success both franchises are having is due to Disney.


Except that is not true.

So Star Wars as a brand hasn't been invigorated in any way by The Force Awakens after the awful prequels? What was happening with Star Wars? Were Lucas Arsts going to release more films?

I believe Disney has improved the franchise by releasing better quality films and things like Star Wars in Disney stores has increased the market size you include another generation.

I'll have a look at the figures for Thor and Iron Man, just out of interest more than anything as I really don't remember them being that big compared to X-Men and Spiderman.


Worldwide box office gross for marvel IP based movies released around the time of the first Iron Man:

Marvel Studios' Iron Man (2008) - $585m
Marvel Studios' The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $263m
Marvel Studios' Punisher: War Zone (2008) - $10.1m
Sony's Spider-Man 3 (2007) - $890.9m
Columbia's Ghost Rider (2007) - $228.7m (how the strawberry float...?)
Fox's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) - $289m
Fox's X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) - $459.4m
Fox's X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009) - $373.1m

So they were doing pretty well.


To be fair to Hime, most of those are not Marvel movies but movies made by Sony/Fox based on Marvel IP.

I only referenced the Fox and Sony movies as Marvel movies that had a lot of hype around them. On that list other than Iron Man the Marvel Studios films are the worst performing.

Have these figures not improved under Disney at all then?


Bear in mind that Marvel's cinematic arm was just finding their feet - a better comparison to Iron Man might be the major studio debuts of other Marvel characters like Blade(New Line, 1998 - $131.2m), Spider-Man(Sony, 2002 - $821.7m), X-Men(Fox, 2000 - $296.3m), the Fantastic Four(Fox, 2005 - $330.6m) or Daredevil(Fox, 2003 - $179.2m).

I think you can discount Spider-Man as an anomaly in the sense that the character is much more established than the vast majority of other characters, on the Batman level of A-tier characters, so the first big budget film based in that world was always going to do silly numbers. Iron Man was a massive risk that paid off in a big way, and Incredible Hulk was a profitable misfire IIRC. Punisher is discountable because it was made on a shoestring and was utter bobbins.

Yes Marvel have just about doubled their box office grosses from phase 1 under Disney, but they were very successful, very quickly - Iron Man 2 made $623.9m in 2010, Thor made $449.3m in 2011 and Captain America: TFA made $370.6m the same year - impressive for what was essentially a period drama with ray guns. With that in mind I do really take the point that Disney bought out a successful blockbuster factory in the MCU and simply let them achieve their already stated goals.

If the quality of films and box office takings dropped post Disney acquisition would you attribute any blame to them?

This has drifted a fair bit away from the conversation I was having with Taf and I didn't get round to replying to him. So, I agree I'm theory that a monopoly is bad and an industry owned by 1 or 2 major players or nationalised can lead to a drop in standards as there is no alternative. My original post was just saying that I think Disney have earned a bit of goodwill due to how they have treated Star Wars and Marvel. However this is presumably because the current management has an interest in these franchises and there is no guarantee that we won't get an era that Disney had when they released a lot of garbage straight to video sequels.

In the words of arguably Disney's greatest acquisition "Some mother strawberry floaters always trying to ice skate up a hill".

*fake edit* When talking about what I perceived to be the lack or hype around Iron Man, I forgot to the same about Thor that I thought it was a very low key release. I didn't want to rob any of you of this gem.

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by Moggy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:08 pm

Hime, I’m not particularly bothered either way about Disney taking over Fox. My only point was that you are wrong to suggest that Disney were responsible for Star Wars and Marvel being popular/well received. They are both massive franchises that would have been popular with or without Disney.

You need to find something that was unheard of or ill thought of that Disney turned around.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:15 pm

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:Hime, I’m not particularly bothered either way about Disney taking over Fox. My only point was that you are wrong to suggest that Disney were responsible for Star Wars and Marvel being popular/well received. They are both massive franchises that would have been popular with or without Disney.

You need to find something that was unheard of or ill thought of that Disney turned around.


Does Johnny Depp count? they turned him around by dressing him like a pirate. Although now he's out of favour again.

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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by Moggy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:38 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:Hime, I’m not particularly bothered either way about Disney taking over Fox. My only point was that you are wrong to suggest that Disney were responsible for Star Wars and Marvel being popular/well received. They are both massive franchises that would have been popular with or without Disney.

You need to find something that was unheard of or ill thought of that Disney turned around.


Does Johnny Depp count? they turned him around by dressing him like a pirate. Although now he's out of favour again.


If anything they destroyed him, he was popular before the Pirates movies, now he’s an irritating turd. :lol:

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PostRe: Disney Buys 21st Century Fox for $52.4 Billion in Stock
by KK » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:45 pm

According to various papers today, Comcast are still very much interested in acquiring Sky should things not work out for whatever reason with Disney.

For reference, Comcast is despised by most Americans who use the service (a number of them have no choice, what with the lack of competition in the broadband and cable/satellite sector).

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by Corazon de Leon » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:55 pm

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:Hime, I’m not particularly bothered either way about Disney taking over Fox. My only point was that you are wrong to suggest that Disney were responsible for Star Wars and Marvel being popular/well received. They are both massive franchises that would have been popular with or without Disney.

You need to find something that was unheard of or ill thought of that Disney turned around.


Does Johnny Depp count? they turned him around by dressing him like a pirate. Although now he's out of favour again.


If anything they destroyed him, he was popular before the Pirates movies, now he’s an irritating turd. :lol:


He destroyed himself by beating up his wife and starring in shite Tim Burton film after shite Tim Burton film. :(

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