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by Lotus » Fri May 26, 2017 2:58 pm

No, not the shitty dance troupe, the other kind.
A Conservative-run council has been accused of reaching a "new low for diversity" with its all-male cabinet.

A team of seven men will be in charge at the Vale of Glamorgan, led by Tory councillor John Thomas.

The Electoral Reform Society (ERS) said newly-formed council cabinets in Wales were not reflecting the fact more than a quarter of councillors are women.

A Conservative spokesman pointed to the Vale's female mayor and young deputy mayor as evidence of its diversity.

About 28% of councillors are women following elections on 4 May, the ERS said.

The proportion ranges from 42% in Swansea to 10% in Ynys Mon, where only three women were elected. However, Ynys Mon will be led by a woman - Llinos Medi, of Plaid Cymru.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-40050714

Is this a big deal? If the cabinet was all-women would it be hailed a success? Is 'diverse' only good/sought after in some situations and not others?

What about when it comes to race or ethnicity? Businesses are criticised for not having BAME employees either in their workforce or on their boards, schools are criticised for not having diverse enough pupil populations...how far do you go in making things diverse, and by what metric should it be measured?

Lots of questions...only GRcade has the answers. :datass:

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by <]:^D » Fri May 26, 2017 3:02 pm

diversity gives different viewpoints and perspectives, that would otherwise be lacking.
especially in a public setting, you want to have those different life experiences.
do you really think that all male council can easily and simply be able to represent and understand all the issues facing those in their ward?

of course there is the question of 'positive discrimination', which must be considered but if there isnt a big difference between 2 candidates, but one of them versus the other will bring a non-white male angle then that should be valued.

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by Floex » Fri May 26, 2017 3:07 pm

It's a problem yes. An all women cabinet, while right now would be looked fondly upon to some circles, poses the same issues. You need men and women to represent as many views as possible between one another.

When it comes to ethnicity, I don't think you need every type or creed in position, I guess it comes down to the region and who the people are representing.

Obviously everyone has to be qualified for their role and not chosen purely because of their colour or gender.

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PostRe: Diversity
by Moggy » Fri May 26, 2017 3:22 pm

You have to feel sorry for the white straight males of this country. They just have no power. :cry:

Diversity is only ever going to be a good thing. A balance of views and experiences are invaluable to companies/councils/governments.

Having said that, it probably shouldn't be forced via quotas. Requiring that at least one person on a board be female/black/gay/whatever is only going to lead to difficulties where people view them as not being there on merit or that they are a "token".

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PostRe: Diversity
by bear » Fri May 26, 2017 3:34 pm

Surely the responsible way to report something like this is by listing the credentials of each cabinet member? If each role is being filled by a genuine expert in an appropriate role then I don't see a problem. If it's a jobs for the boys situation then they need to be told to stop playing silly buggers.

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by Grumpy David » Fri May 26, 2017 4:01 pm

I fail to see the problem here. Mountains out of molehills.

If the best 7 people are all men, then what's the issue?

It's only an issue if you can evidence better candidates have been turned down because they're a woman, or black or they're gay etc.

I'm not bought into the argument that direct experience is necessary to have a valid opinion on it. I'll never directly experience an abortion. Should my opinion on being pro choice be ignored?

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PostRe: Diversity
by Irene Demova » Fri May 26, 2017 4:03 pm

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PostRe: Diversity
by Errkal » Fri May 26, 2017 4:07 pm

Diversity is good, but having the right person should paramount.

I don't like the idea that you "have" to have x % women because they are women or whatever, whoever is best for the job or task should do the job or task, that is equality.

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PostRe: Diversity
by Mafro » Fri May 26, 2017 4:15 pm

ITT: white men discuss diversity.

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by Eighthours » Fri May 26, 2017 4:18 pm

Moggy wrote:Having said that, it probably shouldn't be forced via quotas. Requiring that at least one person on a board be female/black/gay/whatever is only going to lead to difficulties where people view them as not being there on merit or that they are a "token".


Let's go picket the studios where Mock the Week and Have I Got News For You film!

EDIT: Seriously, though, there should be diversity everywhere. It's a damn shame that there are situations where it doesn't happen naturally, as that requires difficult decisions to be made about quotas which tend to be problematic.

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PostRe: Diversity
by Ironhide » Fri May 26, 2017 4:37 pm

Mafro wrote:ITT: white men discuss diversity.


Its okay, I'm disabled, surely that adds enough diversity to the thread.

Seriously though, if those particular 7 men are indeed the best suited/qualified for their jobs then there's no major issue here.

Diversity can only be a good thing but it shouldn't mean employing certain people simply to fulfil a quota of women/ethnic minorities in a particular job.

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by Floex » Fri May 26, 2017 4:42 pm

Mafro wrote:ITT: white men discuss diversity.


Alright dblock.

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by Tomous » Fri May 26, 2017 4:44 pm

Ironhide wrote:
Mafro wrote:ITT: white men discuss diversity.


Its okay, I'm disabled, surely that adds enough diversity to the thread.

Seriously though, if those particular 7 men are indeed the best suited/qualified for their jobs then there's no major issue here.

Diversity can only be a good thing but it shouldn't mean employing certain people simply to fulfil a quota of women/ethnic minorities in a particular job.


The issue is the system is bias towards putting white men into those positions and so you need positive discrimination to balance that inequality. It's an extremely difficult balancing act though-knowing where to draw the line etc.

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PostRe: Diversity
by Moggy » Fri May 26, 2017 4:55 pm

Floex wrote:
Mafro wrote:ITT: white men discuss diversity.


Alright dblock.


:lol:

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by Frank » Fri May 26, 2017 6:08 pm

Eighthours wrote:
Moggy wrote:Having said that, it probably shouldn't be forced via quotas. Requiring that at least one person on a board be female/black/gay/whatever is only going to lead to difficulties where people view them as not being there on merit or that they are a "token".


Let's go picket the studios where Mock the Week and Have I Got News For You film!

EDIT: Seriously, though, there should be diversity everywhere. It's a damn shame that there are situations where it doesn't happen naturally, as that requires difficult decisions to be made about quotas which tend to be problematic.


I genuinely think that publicising the "we'll always have at least one woman on all our panels shows" was a mistake, because then it *does* smack of tokenism. It almost implies the woman on the panel is only there because they needed a woman.

Also, is Mock the Week still going? :dread:

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PostRe: Diversity
by Snowcannon » Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:18 am

Looks like businesses agree diversity is good too

Pride in London: Why businesses are backing Pride
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40517036

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PostRe: Diversity
by rinks » Sat Jul 08, 2017 2:32 pm

I think everyone is missing the clearest indicator of staggering male bias in this particular case. The evidence is right there in the council leader's name.

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