GRcade Musician's Club - Do You "Do" Music?

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by Green Gecko » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:38 pm

If it's panned it will sound louder on a mono speaker like a mobile phone because the left and right channels are summed so total gain is louder than you perceive through two speakers. It will sound quieter on devices where the stereo separation is greater for example speakers in a room or anything with a virtual surround effect like televisions.

It would be a good idea to listen to your mix in mono (some utilities or effects have a mono switch) to check parts aren't significantly louder than you want them to be and A/B the difference to your ears. It's also possible you're slightly stronger hearing in one ear than the other and so panning too little or too much, so try flipping left and right or listening to the headphones or speakers backwards.

You may also want to apply a little compression to reduce excessive peaks and troughs which will be more noticeable in a mono mix as they can add up to some very loud moments even on devices that are stereo but the speakers really aren't very far apart so there's poor stereo separation.

Also make sure your listening at the intersection of two speakers or you're kind of hearing it wrong, some speakers are a lot more directional than others (monitors are highly directional so you need to listen to them at the right point for example).

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PostRe: GRcade Musician's Club - Do You "Do" Music?
by Squinty » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:45 pm

Green Gecko wrote:If it's panned it will sound louder on a mono speaker like a mobile phone because the left and right channels are summed so total gain is louder. It will be quieter on devices where the stereo separation is greater for example speakers in a room or anything with a virtual surround effect like televisions.


Gecko, you are an absolute star :wub:

That makes perfect sense now that you've explained it. I should have realised it already!

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by Green Gecko » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:49 pm

I wrote more stuff :)

No problem part of mixing and mastering isn't about having expensive speakers it's about understanding the characteristics of different audio equipment and trying to achieve a good sound on most of them. In fact it's largely about that.

You can work with crap speakers so long as you understand their EQ curve and pressure level you can compensate in your mix. Actually some engineers deliberately mix on consumer HiFi, preferably both (that's why you see mixing rooms with lots of different speakers, they aren't all the same system lol).

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by Squinty » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:39 am

Green Gecko wrote:I wrote more stuff :)

No problem part of mixing and mastering isn't about having expensive speakers it's about understanding the characteristics of different audio equipment and trying to achieve a good sound on most of them. In fact it's largely about that.

You can work with crap speakers so long as you understand their EQ curve and pressure level you can compensate in your mix. Actually some engineers deliberately mix on consumer HiFi, preferably both (that's why you see mixing rooms with lots of different speakers, they aren't all the same system lol).


You touched on something really interesting there. I have diminished hearing in my right ear, and this likely isn't helping. I have had issues with it since childhood. I struggle to hear certain tones.

I did a bit of digging myself and read about engineers mixing in mono as well.

Once again, thanks so much!

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by Advent7 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:04 pm

Headphones are very misleading as to how you've mixed something. Most of the music I made sounded 'great' in my headphones but played through normal speakers it was flat and lifeless, with only volume bringing it to life in any way.

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by Green Gecko » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:34 am

Yeah there's not really any such thing as studio headphones, they're for monitoring overdubs and that's it.

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by Squinty » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:24 am

I don't think I've ever tried to mix something with headphones on. I have a crap mic that I record acoustic guitar with, I use headphones for the click track. That's about it.

The annoying thing was, I'd recorded something and I must have been so close to the mic that it picked up the metronome when I was tracking. You can hear it faintly on the recording.

And now I understand the point of noise cancelling headphones. I'm a noob.

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by Advent7 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:43 am

I only do it because I'm embarrassed about my voice so I don't want my Mrs hearing it while I mix for hours on end

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by Green Gecko » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:24 am

? Noise cancelling headphones just cut out ambient noise with some circuitry and/or acoustic treatment when listening, they don't prevent sound leakage. You probably need closed back headphones.

Yeah you'll often have something leaking into your tracks.. You can try to remove it with EQ or just mask it with other stuff. If you were to break down commercial recordings into tracks you'd hear a lot of things.

A lot of stuff nowadays is just direct recorded with mic effects added. For example reamping clean signals from guitars.

I'm a bit of an advocate of lofi recording anyway. It's more about what you do with it. Ambience can add to a recording not necessarily take it away. I find overproduced rock music a bit unconvincing.

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by Advent7 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:27 am

I've got stone roses bootleg CD of them recording in the studio for the second coming sessions and it's really interesting for things like that - complaining the zip on someone's jacket is clicking and so on.

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by Green Gecko » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:32 am

It depends on what kind of sound it is. Some stuff can really cut through a mix and is hard to remove without producing gaps. Nowadays direct wave editing can patch out a lot of faults. You can easily cue in even single notes or chord strikes. I've done it before. Also there are so many simulated instruments although personally I find it really grating when a band uses something like sampled violins when they could easily afford a violinist.

That said I like a lot of recordings that are just straight takes. It reminds you someone was there. I think there's a difference between a recording and a production. Some of the best albums ever made had a good engineer on them but were recorded back to back. Of course they would have to be good because some musicians have no idea what they're doing at all.

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