Wrathy wrote:episode had the potential to be good but then blew it with the whole "the systems not the problem is the people who misuse it" gooseberry fool. up until that point it was a pretty damning critique of the amazon warehousing system; like all good sci fi it was based in reality. and then they just... threw it away.
Thinking about it, this was pretty right-wing for Doctor Who. The corporate bloke in the suit with a gun turned out to be a good guy, the villain was the young reactionary (or terrorist), and at the end the market self-corrects to provide more jobs.
Vinay Patel's only real piece of work I can find is about honour killings. Has he done much else?
A couple of my Corbyn-leaning pals have been screeing about "dumb liberal values" etc on the twitter feed. I'm not that far into the old socialism, but I don't think the conclusions really followed from the premise of the episode.
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Wrathy wrote:also the bit at the end where they say not to pop the bubble wrap but at the start of the episode Ryan popped some and didn't die? wtf was that?
All the exploding bubble wrap packages were being held back in that huge room with all the postmen.
Exactly! The bubble wrap he'd already played with wouldn't pose a problem...
Decent bad guy switcheroo from the boss to the cleaner. Good aesthetics in the episode overall - loved the androids and the general company vibe (could've done with a few more extras for Amazon's planetary warehouse though). Unexpected deaths throughout. Good humour - MOAR TWIRLY!
One plothole - why didn't the System just rat on the cleaner to the pinstripe guy?
Was Bradley Walsh playing with the bubble wrap a grief thing? Perhaps his big episode will be coming to terms with Ryan's Nan dying.
Thought the episode was really fun and probably my favourite of the series so far. I like the robots, they were certainly creepy and the episode wasn't afraid to kill of characters in a rather nasty way. I wasn't that keen on the constant nattering about workers rights but bar that great episode.
Next week looks cool, with all the Witch trails.
Also love the references to Matt Smith and David Tennant.
I liked it too, nothing amazing but enjoyable enough. It kept me guessing, the robots were sufficiently creepy and all the companions had a part to play too like a proper team. Some fun ideas and I enjoyed the couple of references to 10+11 stuff as well.
It felt like a typical pre-Chibnall monster of the week episode to me.
Wrathy wrote: up until that point it was a pretty damning critique of the amazon warehousing system
Did it really though? They worked. Had an approachable head of people. Robots that made sure they did the job by politely reminding them to get on with it. A nice park to go have a break in. And errrrr..... that was it? People went missing but that was entirely down to the kid.
Why did the system send a cryptic help me message rather then explaining the situation? We assume that it just says help me because its a person trying to sneak a message in but the system doesn't need to do this.
I think it also gets boring if your always going "it's all because of evil corporations" , I think it's good to show that left or right, rich or poor someone can just plain be a dick. The best Villains are usually those who feel that they are the hero of there own story.
I thought it was... okay. It kept my attention but it isn't an episode I could imagine wanting to watch again; personally, I felt it to be a step down from the previous few episodes.
I'm unsure about the approach of including relatively "heavy" themes in the programme. I'm torn. Perhaps the programme should be used for this; it is a good way of bringing current topics to the fore and up for discussion with a wide audience. I guess that Who has often included current / challenging topics at times... but possibly not this frequently. I'm not saying that it should never happen but I like to watch Who to escape the problems of real life; at the moment I feel like the storylines are sometimes whacking me over the head with a blunt instrument.
I think they're interesting rather than being enjoyable. There's nothing "wrong" with that but it's different to how I've felt about past series.
kerr9000 wrote:I think it also gets boring if your always going "it's all because of evil corporations" , I think it's good to show that left or right, rich or poor someone can just plain be a dick. The best Villains are usually those who feel that they are the hero of there own story.
I agree with this. I just felt that the lack of genuine threat from the Kerblam corporation created a vacuum in the drama. Sure its a bit of a soulless place to work but other then that.... not like people were forced to work extra hours or given tasks they could never complete in time or threatened to dock pay because they chatted with people. "Great conversation but..." I think thats why I found it so boring. Just the first half went on and then when it started to kick off I just didn't care. Your just told some people have gone missing and then it turns out the missing people are all due to the stupid kid and the company did nowt wrong but could just be a bit nicer to people.
That and the really lazy and conveniently placed hiding spot. Seriously could they not at least have made it that they hide in something that had a function. And the conveyor belt/laser bits that looked like it had been farmed out to a student on work experience to film. This Doctor again telling someone how she has met someone famous.
Then there are the plot issues that the twist creates....
The Watching Artist wrote:Why did the system send a cryptic help me message rather then explaining the situation?
We also don't know enough about how Keblam works. They must have other locations across the galaxy. A head office somewhere. Why does the system not report this stuff to them? Does this whole workplace on this moon not have any human security? The whole story is a bait and switch which would be fine if it still made sense.