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Which GR Doctor Who Club would you prefer?

Poll runs till Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:38 am

Classic Classics?
7
70%
Mega New-Who-review-athon?
3
30%
 
Total votes: 10
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PostRe: Doctor Who- The 13th Doctor is......
by Ad7 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:24 pm

I wonder if she's bigger on the inside?
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by Jenuall » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:32 pm

I find the response this is getting truly bizarre. The kind of thing that twitter is throwing up around issues like this makes me really wonder about the world we live in.

Maybe I'm just naive but in my lifetime so far I would say that it generally felt like we as a people were moving forwards in terms of tolerance, equality, acceptance of new and different people and experiences etc. But the last few years with big things like Brexit and Trump, and then "smaller" things like this I'm really beginning to wonder whether I was just fooling myself. Perhaps the progress I thought I was seeing was not real, or maybe all these lovely people just went shy for a decade or so before regaining their voice?

I just don't get it - on what logical grounds is there anything to complain about here? Are people that insecure that the casting of a woman in a TV show really causes them that much pain that they have to react like this?
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by Blue Eyes » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:36 pm

Jenuall wrote:I find the response this is getting truly bizarre. The kind of thing that twitter is throwing up around issues like this makes me really wonder about the world we live in.

Maybe I'm just naive but in my lifetime so far I would say that it generally felt like we as a people were moving forwards in terms of tolerance, equality, acceptance of new and different people and experiences etc. But the last few years with big things like Brexit and Trump, and then "smaller" things like this I'm really beginning to wonder whether I was just fooling myself. Perhaps the progress I thought I was seeing was not real, or maybe all these lovely people just went shy for a decade or so before regaining their voice?

I just don't get it - on what logical grounds is there anything to complain about here? Are people that insecure that the casting of a woman in a TV show really causes them that much pain that they have to react like this?

It's bizarre that anyone could possibly hold these ludicrous views but I'm certain it's a tiny minority that really care about this. You'll always have banana splits.
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PostRe: Doctor Who- The 13th Doctor is......
by Ad7 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:36 pm

Guy I work with is properly against it and predictably doesn't even watch it.

Like it matters, if ever a show was able to do something like this, it's this one.

Now just get some decent writers again so I can watch it plz.
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PostRe: Doctor Who- The 13th Doctor is......
by The Watching Artist » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:45 pm

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Love that its 49 years for some reason. :lol:

And here is Pat Troughton, the man in all honesty is most responsible for making the Doctor who we know today.

Ad7 wrote:I wonder if she's bigger on the inside?

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by Jenuall » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:47 pm

Blue Eyes wrote:
Jenuall wrote:I find the response this is getting truly bizarre. The kind of thing that twitter is throwing up around issues like this makes me really wonder about the world we live in.

Maybe I'm just naive but in my lifetime so far I would say that it generally felt like we as a people were moving forwards in terms of tolerance, equality, acceptance of new and different people and experiences etc. But the last few years with big things like Brexit and Trump, and then "smaller" things like this I'm really beginning to wonder whether I was just fooling myself. Perhaps the progress I thought I was seeing was not real, or maybe all these lovely people just went shy for a decade or so before regaining their voice?

I just don't get it - on what logical grounds is there anything to complain about here? Are people that insecure that the casting of a woman in a TV show really causes them that much pain that they have to react like this?

It's bizarre that anyone could possibly hold these ludicrous views but I'm certain it's a tiny minority that really care about this. You'll always have banana splits.


The minority question is the thing that troubles me these days - I would have said (again maybe naively) that those people who wanted to kick us out of the EU would have been a minority - but then Brexit won. Same with Trump.

I think there is a tendancy to look at things like twitter and say "oh, ignore them it's just a vocal minority - the silent majority must surely agree with my sane view of things", but personally my confidence has been knocked that this is actually true anymore - I think that are more idiots out there than I previously realised, and they're just starting to get better at banging the drum.

Either way - never actually seen Jodie Whittaker in anything but have heard good things about her so I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully it brings a new dimension to things, but then on the other hand I also hope that nothing really changes at all - it's the same character just with a different actor. I think Moffat himself has said previously that as writers they don't ever really think "I'm writing for the Matt Smith Doctor or the David Tennant Doctor" - it's always just writing what the character would do, then letting the individual actor put a bit of a spin on it in terms of the delivery.
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by Lotus » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:53 pm

Jenuall wrote:Are people that insecure that the casting of a woman in a TV show really causes them that much pain that they have to react like this?

I don't think it's about casting a woman in a TV show - surely you don't think it's that simplistic - it's about changing a long-standing character for the sake of ticking boxes. There are plenty of women who are disgruntled about the decision as well. It's quite funny to see people getting so worked up about it though, it's just a strawberry floating TV programme. :fp: 5 Live this morning with their inevitable debate on it was full of Disgusted from Tunbridge Wells types ranting about this and then going off on one about the design of the TARDIS or something. :lol: :fp:
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by Jenuall » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:07 pm

Lotus wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Are people that insecure that the casting of a woman in a TV show really causes them that much pain that they have to react like this?

I don't think it's about casting a woman in a TV show - surely you don't think it's that simplistic - it's about changing a long-standing character for the sake of ticking boxes. There are plenty of women who are disgruntled about the decision as well. It's quite funny to see people getting so worked up about it though, it's just a strawberry floating TV programme. :fp: 5 Live this morning with their inevitable debate on it was full of Disgusted from Tunbridge Wells types ranting about this and then going off on one about the design of the TARDIS or something. :lol: :fp:


How so? Was replacing Colin Baker with Sylvester McCoy ticking a diversity box - "First Doctor from outside of England"?

Was replacing Tom Baker with Peter Davison ticking a youth vote box - "First Doctor under 30?"

The character is an alien entity - any actor on the planet should be up for grabs. How about we assume they picked her because she will be good at the job? That they trust her to fulfill their desire for the role and the show going forward?

If they suddenly made the Doctor a homicidal maniac who goes around murdering folk and selling "space drugs" then I would class that as "changing a long-standing character" - this doesn't even come close.
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PostRe: Doctor Who- The 13th Doctor is......
by Lotus » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:25 pm

The BBC has a diversity quota it needs to meet. I think it's reasonable to assume that this decision was made in part to help them on their way to filling that.
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by Ad7 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:35 pm

Lotus wrote:The BBC has a diversity quota it needs to meet. I think it's reasonable to assume that this decision was made in part to help them on their way to filling that.


They should have hired the band diversity for the role and had each one play him in a different episode.
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by Hyperion » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:55 pm

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by The Watching Artist » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:16 pm

I've always been concerned that the casting of a woman might be mishandled. A publicity stunt or a barrel scraping idea. As well as not really being something that HAS to be done. Its not like Who hasn't provided a whole host of female characters over the years so I've never seen the need. Romana and River easily fill the boots of a female Doctor. I'm still a bit concerned this might be the case. A couple of bits from the announcement are a little odd...
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I always knew I wanted the Thirteenth Doctor to be a woman

So at no point they auditioned or considered any male actors? What if a male actor came along and did a better audition? Have you not just potentially made the show worse just to cast a female. I'm not suggesting that this will end in disaster but if you want the best person for the role then doesn't that mean being open to as many people as you can? Regardless of gender or race? Of course she could still could have been cast even then. In which case, brilliant!
Piers Wenger, Controller BBC Drama, said:
Jodie is not just a talented actor but she has a bold and brilliant vision for her Doctor. She aced it in her audition both technically and with the powerful female life force she brings to the role.

WTF is a powerful female life force? Hopefully this is just contained to some PR bullshit and isn't indicative of a direction of the story telling.
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PostRe: Doctor Who- The 13th Doctor is......
by Moggy » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:19 pm

Lotus wrote:The BBC has a diversity quota it needs to meet. I think it's reasonable to assume that this decision was made in part to help them on their way to filling that.


Bullshit.

After 50 odd years and 14 actors (counting John Hurt) it was only ever just a matter of time before the Doctor became female, or black, or Asian.

The trouble with the hard right man baby snowflakes is that they see everything as "PC gone mad" or "just ticking boxes". It doesn't seem to occur to them that maybe Whittaker was the best person for the role, oh no she has a vagina, she must have only got the job because of boobs and diversity! Even if they wanted a woman for the role, maybe it's because they have story reasons to do so, not tickboxes?

A humanoid alien that regenerates and completely changes age, size, accent and personality was always going to change colour or sex at some point and diversity quotas have little to do with it.
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by The Watching Artist » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:32 pm

Oh no. :( Trevor Baxter has died. Professor George Litefoot was one half of the amazing duo, Jago and Litefoot!

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PostRe: Doctor Who- The 13th Doctor is......
by Moggy » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:50 pm

I've found a woman that hates the idea of a female Doctor.



:dread:
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by DML » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:58 pm

Lotus wrote:The BBC has a diversity quota it needs to meet. I think it's reasonable to assume that this decision was made in part to help them on their way to filling that.


Having had to work with these,your assumptions are incorrect.
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PostRe: Doctor Who- The 13th Doctor is......
by The Watching Artist » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:28 pm

strawberry float everything. J&L was the best DW spinoff. :(
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by Hexx » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:34 pm

Moggy wrote: they see everything as "PC gone mad"


Also reminds me of this

[An interviewer is visiting a Zoo, and is talking to Laura the sloth keeper]

Laura: "I can't stop to talk, I'm sorry, they're going absolutely beserk! Daniel put that down! They're always like this after a shift. Mandolyn, stop chasing Andrew! It's just, they're out there for 8 hours, just hanging from their toes and doing nothing, so of course, they want to let off steam. Eddy put that down! Kathryn leave him alone! Felicity will you please stop juggling! What, what did you want anyway?!"

Finnemore: "I was just going to inquire-"

Laura: "Jonathan don't you run away! Don't you dare! Ok I'm sorry, look I've really got to go and catch him, I'm so sorry!"

*noise of a motorbike*

Finnemore: "Well you're not going to catch him now he's gone on that motorbike..."

Laura: "No... No I realize that. I don't know why we gave them motorbikes... It's political correctness gone mad!"

Finnemore: "What's it got to do with political correctness?"

Laura: "Well, nothing! That's the point! That's why it's gone mad! Normally when people say political correctness gone mad, what they mean is; political correctness I don't agree with. But in this case, political correctness, has given some sloths a motorbike. I mean, it has actually gone mad."
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by Ord » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:29 pm

The Watching Artist wrote:strawberry float everything. J&L was the best DW spinoff. :(

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by The Watching Artist » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:22 pm

Ord wrote:
The Watching Artist wrote:strawberry float everything. J&L was the best DW spinoff. :(

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I was thinking I'd watch Talons later but....... I'm not sure I'd even enjoy right now. :(
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Lotus wrote:The BBC has a diversity quota it needs to meet. I think it's reasonable to assume that this decision was made in part to help them on their way to filling that.


Bullshit.

After 50 odd years and 14 actors (counting John Hurt) it was only ever just a matter of time before the Doctor became female, or black, or Asian.

The trouble with the hard right man baby snowflakes is that they see everything as "PC gone mad" or "just ticking boxes". It doesn't seem to occur to them that maybe Whittaker was the best person for the role, oh no she has a vagina, she must have only got the job because of boobs and diversity! Even if they wanted a woman for the role, maybe it's because they have story reasons to do so, not tickboxes?

A humanoid alien that regenerates and completely changes age, size, accent and personality was always going to change colour or sex at some point and diversity quotas have little to do with it.

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