Rumour: PS5 and Xbox Two/Scarlett coming 2020 (Ryzen CPU, Navi GPU, 24GB RAM, 12 TFLOPS)

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When do you think PS5/'Xbox Two' will launch?

2019
6
9%
2020
30
43%
2021
22
31%
2022
9
13%
2023
0
No votes
2024
3
4%
 
Total votes: 70
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PostRumour: PS5 and Xbox Two/Scarlett coming 2020 (Ryzen CPU, Navi GPU, 24GB RAM, 12 TFLOPS)
by NickSCFC » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:57 pm



In summary

- The pace of technology is slowing down, as are cost reductions (next-gen consoles won't be affordable even in 2019)

- Sony and Mark Cerny still believe firmly in generations

- A worthwhile leap from PS4/XBO won't be affordable this generation

- Current gen will last at least as long as the previous, possibly longer (hence the mid-gen refreshes)

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) any time soon
by Errkal » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:08 pm

I could see them disapearing at least for Microsoft.

By moving to a more 10 base it means all subsequent consoles will be the same base allowing games to just work kind of like pcs, they will bring out a faster version every few years that is incrementally better but not a bigger leap and you upgrade when you want as stuff will work.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) any time soon
by NickSCFC » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:18 pm

There always needs to be a cut off point with consoles to avoid confusion, only SEGA have attempted otherwise (Mega CD/32X), and it killed them.

PS4/PS4 Pro and Xbox One/Xbox One X are all still the same generation, and the "enhanced" consoles will always be held back due to developers needing to support the "base" consoles.

The console market isn't like the PC market where consumers are savvy enough to check they have the right GPU/CPU/RAM combo before buying a game. Console gamers simply look at the console logo at the top of the game box and are safe in the knowledge the game will be fully compatible.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by gamerforever » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:10 pm

Autumn 2019 imo

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by ITSMILNER » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:20 pm

I'm happy for this gen to last as long as the last, very happy with the current line up and the software we are getting thanks to indie support


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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by HSH28 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:21 pm

I've put 2020, but it could easily be 2021. No way its 2019.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by NickSCFC » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:26 pm

gamerforever wrote:Autumn 2019 imo


No way this gen is shorter than last when you factor in mid-gen upgrades, PC hardest advancement slowing and diminishing returns.

I'm going with either late 2020 or late 2021.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by Jam-Master Jay » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:34 pm

2021 at the earliest, please.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by Peter Crisp » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:40 pm

My guess is Christmas 2019 for PS5 with Xbox Two a year later.

4K will be the main resolution with no support for 8K and the main advancement will just be on the CPU side with only a slight upgrade to GPU.
Atari will come back into the console building business in 2022 and quickly establish themselves as the dominant market leader with a machine that looks exactly like the Atari ST and sells 175 million units at $600.

jiggles wrote:Nobody with a VR headset is going to be using it regularly this time next year, let alone in 4 years time.


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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by Floex » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:03 pm

I can't see it happening until well into 2020.

For all the pushing of 4K right now, which, quite frankly is nothing more than a buzzword right now for consoles users, people simply aren't upgrading their TV's at the pace TV companies want them to do so.

4K isn't going to be the norm anytime soon so why cater to a market that simply isn't there yet. 2020, 4K, standard, maybe.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by NickSCFC » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:20 pm

Floex wrote:4K isn't going to be the norm anytime soon so why cater to a market that simply isn't there yet. 2020, 4K, standard, maybe.


True

HD was lucky in that it coincided with LCD, most people who bought HD TVs in the late 00s did so because wanted a flat panel.

4K/UHD doesn't have anything revolutionary like that, not to the average consumer anyway.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by Errkal » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:25 pm

Yeah I don't think 4k will be much of a thing for a while, I'm certainly not upgrading anytime soon there just isn't any real point.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by bear » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:30 pm

I don't think we'll see a next gen until MS or Sony, whoever goes first, is confident that they can ditch physical media.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by Peter Crisp » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:22 pm

bear wrote:I don't think we'll see a next gen until MS or Sony, whoever goes first, is confident that they can ditch physical media.


I know this gets talked about a lot but I just don't think the infrastructure exists for everyone and a lot of people will be just unable to use a machine with no physical media player.

jiggles wrote:Nobody with a VR headset is going to be using it regularly this time next year, let alone in 4 years time.


Posted 16th March 2016. Let's see.
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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by Octoroc » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:29 pm

Maybe we'll eventually see a relaxing of the rules and there'll be PRO/X exclusives.

If you really want to push games forward you need much more CPU power. If you want more densely populated environments with better physics, animation and AI, that's where the bottleneck is. Alas graphics and resolution are far more tangible and easier to market for platform holders and games developers alike.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by Poser » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:35 pm

4k takeup is going to be held back by our broadband infrastructure. So many people choose to use streaming services now for the majority of their content (and those who don't are even less likely to have/want 4k) but very few people have access to 4k-capable broadband.

I mean, even hd isn't standard yet. Can't even watch regional news on BBC in hd.

4k is a long, long way from being mass market, no matter how many tvs they sell.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by Garth » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:40 pm

2020 at the earliest, I reckon.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by bear » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:47 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:
bear wrote:I don't think we'll see a next gen until MS or Sony, whoever goes first, is confident that they can ditch physical media.


I know this gets talked about a lot but I just don't think the infrastructure exists for everyone and a lot of people will be just unable to use a machine with no physical media player.

I think we are rapidly approaching a point where the infrastructure will be good enough for a sufficiently large percentage of the market that Sony/MS and the publishers will be willing to write off the remainder for a few years while they catch up. If that means holding back the rollout of the next gen for 12/18 months then they'll do just that.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by Errkal » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:11 pm

bear wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:
bear wrote:I don't think we'll see a next gen until MS or Sony, whoever goes first, is confident that they can ditch physical media.


I know this gets talked about a lot but I just don't think the infrastructure exists for everyone and a lot of people will be just unable to use a machine with no physical media player.

I think we are rapidly approaching a point where the infrastructure will be good enough for a sufficiently large percentage of the market that Sony/MS and the publishers will be willing to write off the remainder for a few years while they catch up. If that means holding back the rollout of the next gen for 12/18 months then they'll do just that.

They could easily go usb drive media instead of disk. Physical media doesn't have to mean disk.

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PostRe: Don't expect next-gen (PS5/Xbox Two) until after 2019
by bear » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:12 pm

Errkal wrote:
bear wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:
bear wrote:I don't think we'll see a next gen until MS or Sony, whoever goes first, is confident that they can ditch physical media.


I know this gets talked about a lot but I just don't think the infrastructure exists for everyone and a lot of people will be just unable to use a machine with no physical media player.

I think we are rapidly approaching a point where the infrastructure will be good enough for a sufficiently large percentage of the market that Sony/MS and the publishers will be willing to write off the remainder for a few years while they catch up. If that means holding back the rollout of the next gen for 12/18 months then they'll do just that.

They could easily go usb drive media instead of disk. Physical media doesn't have to mean disk.



It doesn't matter if a game is delivered by disc, usb drive or in a pot of tapioca, publishers want out of physical media.


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