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by Tafdolphin » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:46 pm

If we're addressing this:

- I hated the "Demon is an offensive term" joke because it takes the "x is offensive term" phrasing, often used by people from minorities to protect themselves from hate speech, and pokes fun at it. It's misjudged, and exactly the sort of cheap, no-thought line you'd find on a Steam group with a Pepe logo.

- I don't understand the Far Cry 5 problem at all. Originally, the game was set to place white Christians as the enemy, with a lot of the early marketing concentrating on their redneck nature, before Ubisoft stripped all that back and turned them instead into a cult (and massively changing the marketing thrust to boot). If anything, it was the relentless calls of "this is a white man murder simulator" from the alt-right sensitives that led to this change of tack.

- Wolf 2 is about killing Nazis. Not to quote Sarah Sanders or anything, but Cal's saying more about himself than us with that one.

But let's not get bogged down in this. Cal is an alt-righter, banned from Off Topic because of his refusal to debate or even respond to counter arguments. He was an avid follower of Milo Yiannopoulos and Breitbark back in the day (how many people have forgotten that?) and is, as far as I'm concerned, a non-entity.

strawberry float Cal.

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by OrangeRKN » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:54 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:
Moggy wrote:I haven’t played or followed Far Cry 5 at all but was curious as to what was “wrong” with it. From what I gather it is a game where the bad guys are the far right that have taken over America?

I guess it is easier to boycott the game, rather than risk spending money on a game that will make you shoot your comrades. Never mind, maybe Far Cry 6 will let you shoot brown people instead.


I have Far Cry 5 and it's a pretty rubbish caricature of US culture so reading anything real into it is pointless.


Pretty much this. It's sub-GTA level satire that doesn't even commit to a single viewpoint

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by Brerlappin » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:49 pm

I am jazzed as strawberry float for Doom Eternal. I pretty much love every Doom game, even D3/Resurrection of Evil. That is all.

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by Moggy » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:51 pm

Brerlappin wrote:I am jazzed as strawberry float for Doom Eternal. I pretty much love every Doom game, even D3/Resurrection of Evil. That is all.


100% this.

My only worry is I didn’t expect much from Doom 2016 and so it blew me away thanks to the lack of hype. I’ll be going into Doom Eternal with high expectations and so am hoping that I don’t end up slightly disappointed.

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by Tafdolphin » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:03 pm

I loved D3 at the time, but...it hasn't aged well I don't think.

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by Brerlappin » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:06 pm

Nah, its aged well i think. Aside from being about 5 hours longer than it needs to be, but as a horror corridor shooter its still pretty fun, and with a few mods looks great.

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by Tafdolphin » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:55 pm

Brerlappin wrote:Nah, its aged well i think. Aside from being about 5 hours longer than it needs to be, but as a horror corridor shooter its still pretty fun, and with a few mods looks great.



Mmmmmyyyyyeeeeehhhhh.

Maybe. It's been a while. All I recall from my last play through was how piddly the weapons sounded and how bad the story was.

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by Moggy » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:46 am

I remember a friend of mine was so excited in the build up to Doom 3. He loved the earlier games and would buy every single magazine that featured anything about Doom 3. He spent hundred and hundreds of pounds on upgrading his PC so that it would play Doom 3 at the highest settings. He talked about nothing else for over a year before the game was released.

And he hated it. :lol:

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by Preezy » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:25 am

Tafdolphin wrote:
Brerlappin wrote:Nah, its aged well i think. Aside from being about 5 hours longer than it needs to be, but as a horror corridor shooter its still pretty fun, and with a few mods looks great.



Mmmmmyyyyyeeeeehhhhh.

Maybe. It's been a while. All I recall from my last play through was how piddly the weapons sounded and how bad the story was.

The pea-shooter weapon noises are my dominant memories of Doom 3. So weak sounding :fp:

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by <]:^D » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:34 am

Moggy wrote:I remember a friend of mine was so excited in the build up to Doom 3. He loved the earlier games and would buy every single magazine that featured anything about Doom 3. He spent hundred and hundreds of pounds on upgrading his PC so that it would play Doom 3 at the highest settings. He talked about nothing else for over a year before the game was released.

And he hated it. :lol:


this sounds like me :(
are we friends Moggy? :o

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by Moggy » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:37 am

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Moggy wrote:I remember a friend of mine was so excited in the build up to Doom 3. He loved the earlier games and would buy every single magazine that featured anything about Doom 3. He spent hundred and hundreds of pounds on upgrading his PC so that it would play Doom 3 at the highest settings. He talked about nothing else for over a year before the game was released.

And he hated it. :lol:


this sounds like me :(
are we friends Moggy? :o


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by Brerlappin » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:41 am

Preezy wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Brerlappin wrote:Nah, its aged well i think. Aside from being about 5 hours longer than it needs to be, but as a horror corridor shooter its still pretty fun, and with a few mods looks great.



Mmmmmyyyyyeeeeehhhhh.

Maybe. It's been a while. All I recall from my last play through was how piddly the weapons sounded and how bad the story was.

The pea-shooter weapon noises are my dominant memories of Doom 3. So weak sounding :fp:


Its almost as if you people never heard of the Trent Reznor sound pack for Doom 3

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by Preezy » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:45 am

Brerlappin wrote:Its almost as if you people never heard of the Trent Reznor sound pack for Doom 3

What's a Trent Reznor? :shifty:

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by Moggy » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:46 am

Preezy wrote:
Brerlappin wrote:Its almost as if you people never heard of the Trent Reznor sound pack for Doom 3

What's a Trent Reznor? :shifty:


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by Tafdolphin » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:14 am

Brerlappin wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Tafdolphin wrote:
Brerlappin wrote:Nah, its aged well i think. Aside from being about 5 hours longer than it needs to be, but as a horror corridor shooter its still pretty fun, and with a few mods looks great.



Mmmmmyyyyyeeeeehhhhh.

Maybe. It's been a while. All I recall from my last play through was how piddly the weapons sounded and how bad the story was.

The pea-shooter weapon noises are my dominant memories of Doom 3. So weak sounding :fp:


Its almost as if you people never heard of the Trent Reznor sound pack for Doom 3


Mmmmmyyyyyeeeeehhhhh.

I downloaded that once. Unless it's changed (or I'm mistaken) the majority of SFX were low quality rips from the Alpha.

I dunno. D3 was perfect for my 18 year old self, but my memory of it is one of a very "18 year old boy" game, all jump scares, shadows and stupid catchphrases.

"You're the control. I'm the damage."

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by Jenuall » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:17 am

D3 was a decent game in many way but it wasn't "DooM" enough for most people I think.

The originals were lightning fast gun ballets against large hordes of enemies played across cleverly designed, sprawling maps and all set to a fantastic soundtrack and spot on SFX. D3 was a slow paced jump shooter with several odd design choices but some fantastic visuals (for the time). I liked it enough at the time but it's the only game in the series I've never replayed.

For some reason I'm less excited about Doom Eternal than I thought I would be. I really enjoyed Doom 2016, and it wasn't because of the "lowered expectations" that others have mentioned as a bonus factor acting in its favour - I got it a good 6 months after release when everyone was (rightly) hailing it as the best shooter in years. So I should be really looking forward to Eternal but I can't put my finger on why I'm not, I guess part of it is a fear that the model laid down by 2016 could grow stale if not mixed up enough and what we have seen of Eternal so far does look very similar?

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by Cal » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:24 am

Moggy wrote:I remember a friend of mine was so excited in the build up to Doom 3. He loved the earlier games and would buy every single magazine that featured anything about Doom 3. He spent hundred and hundreds of pounds on upgrading his PC so that it would play Doom 3 at the highest settings. He talked about nothing else for over a year before the game was released.

And he hated it. :lol:


Well, that's a shame. Personally, I got a lot out of Doom 3 (and I'm not just talking about those incredible space corridors). It was the first game that introduced me to level design with the map editor that became available. That led me to 3D design, texture design and so on. Seeing how this all married-up with my existing graphic design skills was an interesting journey. Doom 3 itself wasn't a brilliant game - I guess - but I did enjoy the story (such as it was). I became fascinated by the untold story of Dr. Betruger and his seduction by the powers of evil he unleashed through the portal. It was a shame that story was never explored - for me, it was by far the biggest missed opportunity. I did like the story beats of the data logs and audio files - that drip-drip of something awful slowly overwhelming the Mars facility as the first few disturbing incidents spiraled into absolute disaster. Again; it was probably a far more interesting story than the one we got in the game.

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by Preezy » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:27 am

I was waiting for Cal to mention those corridors :lol: :datass:

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by Tafdolphin » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:02 pm

Cal wrote: I became fascinated by the untold story of Dr. Betruger and his seduction by the powers of evil


A story of a man sucked down into a dark hellhole full of creatures with horrible, horrible ways, who then emerges from said hole to plague the earth with his newly found abhorrent beliefs?

Sounds...familiar.

No wonder you strawberry floating liked it.

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by Brerlappin » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:05 pm

I'll always go to bat for Doom 3 for a few reasons:

The monster design was excellent. From the Spider-head things, to the Cherubs, to the Hell Knight, it has a fantastic roster of creepy as strawberry float enemies.
The Hell levels have incredible atmosphere, even in 2018. They're a better representation of Hell than anything in Doom 2016 if you ask me. If anything i thought the Hell levels in 2016 were actually pretty generic compared to the oppressive, cloying atmosphere of Hell in Doom 3.
It was part of the fantastic year of 2004 releases that culminated in Doom 3 and HL2
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Like its not the best game ever, but its still a pretty good game imo, and its aged better than most games from that era. Compared to the modern military shooter craze, Doom 3's run-n-gun approach has aged quite well.

Personally i think theres 2 types of Doom players: The PC owners, who grew up playing Doom with the awful midi synth rock soundtrack which made the game feel more fast paced and it was all about the speed and violence, and the people who grew up with the PSX version and the Aubrey Hodges soundtrack that turned the games atmosphere completely on its head and made it feel like you were playing a waking strawberry floating nightmare and made the game feel more like some kind of claustrophobic horror title. As the latter, i could appreciate Doom 3 a lot more than people who only knew the PC version, at least, thats my take on it.


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