E3 2013 | Microsoft Conference Thread | Summary Pg. 1

[Zombitedesade]

He's arguing it in the sense like Kinect or any other add on which comes with a system as standard.

He's suggesting, that because the system demands something from the off and out of the box, developers don't have to worry during devlopment if the end user had this in place or not. A bit like how some things might have been better this gen had MS not gone with arcade units without hard drives etc.

The fact that this 'feature' is at the great personal freedoms of the end user and does not, as yet seem to value the consumer in any way whatsoever however he's helpfully ignoring.

Bottom line here: if you buy into this bollocks now, do not moan, cry and whine later when you yourself set a precedent: that your personal freedoms as a consumer are totally and utterly dictated and controlled by the publishers and not you in the end.

Buying into the xbox1 now and saying "I'm ok with this" is literally you helping to kill the way we enjoy playing, buying and trading games right now (and always have done for over 20years) and accepting whatever your fed and liking that forevermore in the future.

I'm not ok with that. Will never be ok with it and for that reason will not support ms with their current anti consumer stance. Thank strawberry float for competition which isn't following suit in Nintendo, pc and Sony then.

[satriales]

They have yet to present a single situation in which having a compulsory connection is superior to having it as optional.

The same way in that having anything compulsory is superior.

It means the games don't have to be designed so they can work without connecting to the internet.

You do realise thats a bad thing right?

No. Its not a bad thing, its a good thing...

If there is an optional feature, it means that developers can't take full use of it throughout there game because they have to design around people that don't have it.

If its compulsory then they don't have that limitation.

See how that could lead to something different and good?

Good if you like Kinect, bad if you don't.

[HSH28]

The fact that this 'feature' is at the great personal freedoms of the end user and does not, as yet seem to value the consumer in any way whatsoever however he's helpfully ignoring.

The always connected part and the DRM part aren't necessarily the same thing.

Bottom line here: if you buy into this bollocks now, do not moan, cry and whine later when you yourself set a precedent: that your personal freedoms as a consumer are totally and utterly dictated and controlled by the publishers and not you in the end.

I'm afraid you are a bit late to that party, the precedent was set years ago.

[smurphy]

Compulsory online can be a good thing, if a game requires it. An MMO for example.

Are you seriously saying Hugo, that compulsory online in every game is actually advantageous? So it's good to be online on a game with absolutely no online features? Or are you saying that every single XB1 game is going to make good use of being always connected?

[HSH28]

Compulsory online can be a good thing, if a game requires it. An MMO for example.

Are you seriously saying Hugo, that compulsory online in every game is actually advantageous? So it's good to be online on a game with absolutely no online features? Or are you saying that every single XB1 game is going to make good use of being always connected?

I don't know if every single game will make good use of it, I assume there will still be bad games.

But I don't really think there will be any Xbox One games that have no online features at all, that's a thing of the past.

[Zombitedesade]

The fact that this 'feature' is at the great personal freedoms of the end user and does not, as yet seem to value the consumer in any way whatsoever however he's helpfully ignoring.

The always connected part and the DRM part aren't necessarily the same thing.

Bottom line here: if you buy into this bollocks now, do not moan, cry and whine later when you yourself set a precedent: that your personal freedoms as a consumer are totally and utterly dictated and controlled by the publishers and not you in the end.

I'm afraid you are a bit late to that party, the precedent was set years ago.

You talk as if consumers don't have any say in any of this. As if its a done deal, it's the way it was always gonna be. We are powerless mortals in the face of their corporate might.

No say I. As a consumer, the lifeblood of any of these companies, they have obligations to give me what I want and what I pay for. There's no other way round about this. If these combines start practising bullshit DRM filled anti used game spy on me in my pants to sell me Doritos style assaults I'm not going to give them any money any more.

Nor do you, or anyone else. It's pretty simple. The power is all ours. You just have to exercise some self restraint and look past the shiny cgi exclusives for 2 seconds and say, I'm not falling for this.

Hugo I know why your voting the way you are. You want all the games. All the games means all the systems all of the time. To hell with the consequences right? They can do what they like, I get my halo's, gears and my titanfalls right?

No. I'm willing to sacrifice however those games may or may not turn out on principle. That I have to give up something to have them. No. I already have to give up money to these guys to play those games. strawberry float giving up my rights to sell them on if I wish, to play them offline if I wish and to not be bombarded with strawberry floating Kinect and XBOX: "heres some mountain dew, please buy this before proceeding" If I wish.

[HSH28]

I see the situation somewhat differently.

I don't see it as giving up my rights at all, I don't expect companies to be obliged to always provide what I want (though its obviously nice when they do) and if giving my personal information away gives me anything at all, I say what the hell, why not.

The reason I don't think you do have a say in this at all, is because its already here in a myriad of other forms and I'm afraid for you to say that the vast majority of people out there...they just don't care. If they did care like you seem to...no one would have an iPhone.

[satriales]

if giving my personal information away gives me anything at all, I say what the hell, why not.

Send me your bank card and pin number, and I'll give you the cost of postage + 10p.

[Trelliz]

You talk as if consumers don't have any say in any of this. As if its a done deal, it's the way it was always gonna be. We are powerless mortals in the face of their corporate might.

No say I. As a consumer, the lifeblood of any of these companies, they have obligations to give me what I want and what I pay for. There's no other way round about this. If these combines start practising bullshit DRM filled anti used game spy on me in my pants to sell me Doritos style assaults I'm not going to give them any money any more.

Nor do you, or anyone else. It's pretty simple. The power is all ours. You just have to exercise some self restraint and look past the shiny cgi exclusives for 2 seconds and say, I'm not falling for this.

Hugo I know why your voting the way you are. You want all the games. All the games means all the systems all of the time. To hell with the consequences right? They can do what they like, I get my halo's, gears and my titanfalls right?

No. I'm willing to sacrifice however those games may or may not turn out on principle. That I have to give up something to have them. No. I already have to give up money to these guys to play those games. strawberry float giving up my rights to sell them on if I wish, to play them offline if I wish and to not be bombarded with strawberry floating Kinect and XBOX: "heres some mountain dew, please buy this before proceeding" If I wish.

Basically this - Forza 5 looks really nice, however I'm giving it up because one racing game isn't enough to justify the cost, both financially and in broader ethical terms.

I was in GAME yesterday and heard the staff talking about the Xbone, along the "it doesn't affect me, so it's not a problem" line, and I nearly chipped in, but thought better of it. It is disturbing how willingly some are to give up their consumer rights, and control over what they can and can't do, all for a few shinies.

[Photek]

Buying into the xbox1 now and saying "I'm ok with this" is literally you helping to kill the way we enjoy playing, buying and trading games right now (and always have done for over 20years) and accepting whatever your fed and liking that forevermore in the future.

Oh FFS, ease off with your 'Jonny Drama Pants' for the love of christ. I'm buying an Xbox One for the games. I've moved to a house and cos of a strawberry float up we cant get broadband for another month, guess what? I've barely touched my 360 cos of no internet. Both iPads are gathering dust and I rarely trade my games in as I make informed purchases as most real gamers do. Xbox One will be used for me at least, the exact same way i use 360, so remember that before going off on a sermon.

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

Wasn't he just explaining why he won't be getting the X1, the same way you just explained why you will be purchasing one?

[HSH28]

Wasn't he just explaining why he won't be getting the X1, the same way you just explained why you will be purchasing one?

Actually he's saying why no one should buy it and how people who do are evil.

I think that's a little bit different than explaining why you don't want one.

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

He's got a point though and he's allowed to voice his opinion. Same way you are in the PS4 threads, however wrong they may be.

[Photek]

No say I. As a consumer, the lifeblood of any of these companies,

[HSH28]

He's got a point though and he's allowed to voice his opinion. Same way you are in the PS4 threads, however wrong they may be. :P

My only issue with the PS4 is that Sony didn't show off enough new games.

I'm not doubting those games will come, I'm not saying I won't buy a PS4 and I'm definitely not telling everyone else what they should or shouldn't be thinking.

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

I'm definitely not telling everyone else what they should or shouldn't be thinking.

You do that all the time!

Telling people which games to like/to buy. And your agenda is clearly more than "the PS4 didn't show off enough games"

[Samuel_1]

He's got a point though and he's allowed to voice his opinion. Same way you are in the PS4 threads, however wrong they may be.

My only issue with the PS4 is that Sony didn't show off enough new games.

I'm not doubting those games will come, I'm not saying I won't buy a PS4 and I'm definitely not telling everyone else what they should or shouldn't be thinking.

I think MS were some what forced to show their hand, in perhaps a bigger way than they intended. The negative reaction to their reveal meant that they had to have an extremely strong showing and as I said earlier, they did. Sony can afford to be a bit more coy about things, as they're enjoying a lot of positive feedback at present. I'm sure they'll be revealing some new games come TGS or even Games Com.

It is well known how many in house teams Sony has, I think it's a bit unlikely that they're sitting around with their thumbs up their arses. I think Sony, at the current time, have the luxury of staggering their announcements. In order to deflect a lot of the bad PR, it's arguable that MS do not.

[HSH28]

And your agenda is clearly more than "the PS4 didn't show off enough games"

The only agenda that exists from me is inside other peoples heads.

I'm the only hear without an agenda, its clear the vast majority of PS4 supporters have an agenda against DRM, which I'm not judging other than to say I don't agree with.

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

Thanks for ignoring my other point.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then.

[HSH28]

That I always tell people what to think?

I'm really not doing that. I have strong opinions sure.