Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - Deep Space Nine - Season 1 - Week 4
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Just a lot of Trek in a short period of time.
To be fair, you did blast your way through it at maximum warp.
EDIT: Moggy after completing his first Star Trek watch in record time.
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Image in the Sand
He's got 2 little kids and O'Brien volunteers for a suicide mission, just because his mate is going? The greatest father of all time. 
Replacing Jadzia (sp?) is an odd choice. We are in the final season, I imagine replacing the Dax host wouldn't have been a popular move with fans at the time. I'll try and reserve judgement!
Even though loads happened, this felt like a slow episode to open the season. Still, it was a damn sight better than watching the Queen's funeral, or the Emoji Movie on Channel 5.
Shadows and Symbols
I continue to avoid the Queen's funeral by watching DS9 instead.
The new Dax seems a bit confused by it all. Even if she never wanted a symbiot, she really shouldn't be that bloody confused about what it means, Trill should surely know all about it.
Quark was hilarious with his moaning at Worf.
Nice call back to Far Beyond The Stars as well, maybe all of Star Trek is one crazy man's dream
A really good episode (even if I'm not usually a fan of the Bajoran religious stuff) and made me appreciate the setting up of the season opener.
Afterimage
Weird how "These pronouns are driving me crazy" is a line that both Star Trek and JK Rowling can say.
Worf is such a dick. Has there ever been a situation where he didn't act like a wanker, before realising he's wrong? And he never learns.
The new Dax is annoying as strawberry float. They should have let the character completely die rather than have to waste time introducing a "new" character while everyone watching is thinking "urghh she's not as good as the original!". I hope she improves.
Take Me Out To The Holo-Suite
Shitty baseball + shitty comedy x Sisko being shitty to Rom = a shitty episode. The only decent bit was the glee on Odo's face when he got to say "you're gone!".
If I didn't hate baseball so much, I might have liked this more. But I really hate baseball.
Chrysalis
"You can't break the laws of physics" says a character on a show where a few episodes ago some of the crew were shrunk to be only a few centimetres tall.
That strawberry floating singing section of the episode.
Bring back the hippies from the original series rather than mutants singing. I cringed so hard that I almost shrivelled up into a ball.
And it was really obvious that pervy doctor Bashir was going to try and strawberry float his patient. He really is a menace.
Not a great episode. Bashir was one of the creepiest characters in all of Star Trek (only beaten by that guy who paid Quark for a Kira hologram) and most of the genetically enhanced characters are irritating.
Treachery, Faith and the Great River
Loved this episode.
I didn't trust Weyoun for quite some time, even when we saw the other version of him on Cardassia! He should have faked his death at the end, although maybe the other clone would have been able to tell if he just pretended to activate the suicide chip.
The Nog/O'Brien storyline was fun as well. Although it's annoying that Sisko always says "how long?" and then never ever accepts the answer. I hope one day he crashes because he's rushed a repair job on a runabout, it'll serve him right.
Once More Unto The Breach
A good episode, but it felt just like loads of other Klingon episodes. "I must die with honour!".
I like the crazy lumpy headed bastards, but there's not really much else left to say about them!
He's got 2 little kids and O'Brien volunteers for a suicide mission, just because his mate is going? The greatest father of all time.
Replacing Jadzia (sp?) is an odd choice. We are in the final season, I imagine replacing the Dax host wouldn't have been a popular move with fans at the time. I'll try and reserve judgement!
Even though loads happened, this felt like a slow episode to open the season. Still, it was a damn sight better than watching the Queen's funeral, or the Emoji Movie on Channel 5.
Shadows and Symbols
I continue to avoid the Queen's funeral by watching DS9 instead.
The new Dax seems a bit confused by it all. Even if she never wanted a symbiot, she really shouldn't be that bloody confused about what it means, Trill should surely know all about it.
Quark was hilarious with his moaning at Worf.
Nice call back to Far Beyond The Stars as well, maybe all of Star Trek is one crazy man's dream
A really good episode (even if I'm not usually a fan of the Bajoran religious stuff) and made me appreciate the setting up of the season opener.
Afterimage
Weird how "These pronouns are driving me crazy" is a line that both Star Trek and JK Rowling can say.
Worf is such a dick. Has there ever been a situation where he didn't act like a wanker, before realising he's wrong? And he never learns.
The new Dax is annoying as strawberry float. They should have let the character completely die rather than have to waste time introducing a "new" character while everyone watching is thinking "urghh she's not as good as the original!". I hope she improves.
Take Me Out To The Holo-Suite
Shitty baseball + shitty comedy x Sisko being shitty to Rom = a shitty episode. The only decent bit was the glee on Odo's face when he got to say "you're gone!".
If I didn't hate baseball so much, I might have liked this more. But I really hate baseball.
Chrysalis
"You can't break the laws of physics" says a character on a show where a few episodes ago some of the crew were shrunk to be only a few centimetres tall.
That strawberry floating singing section of the episode.
Bring back the hippies from the original series rather than mutants singing. I cringed so hard that I almost shrivelled up into a ball.And it was really obvious that pervy doctor Bashir was going to try and strawberry float his patient.
He really is a menace. Not a great episode. Bashir was one of the creepiest characters in all of Star Trek (only beaten by that guy who paid Quark for a Kira hologram) and most of the genetically enhanced characters are irritating.
Treachery, Faith and the Great River
Loved this episode.
I didn't trust Weyoun for quite some time, even when we saw the other version of him on Cardassia! He should have faked his death at the end, although maybe the other clone would have been able to tell if he just pretended to activate the suicide chip.
The Nog/O'Brien storyline was fun as well. Although it's annoying that Sisko always says "how long?" and then never ever accepts the answer. I hope one day he crashes because he's rushed a repair job on a runabout, it'll serve him right.
Once More Unto The Breach
A good episode, but it felt just like loads of other Klingon episodes. "I must die with honour!".
I like the crazy lumpy headed bastards, but there's not really much else left to say about them!
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The Siege of AR-558
Christ, they love that holosuite 60s crooner guy don't they.
We're a long way from the days of a Redshirt being killed and Kirk not even remembering they existed 30 seconds later. You just know in TOS that him and McCoy would have been pissing themselves laughing as soon as they got back to their ship.
A brutal episode, showing the horror of war, poor Nog! It was a great decision to make him join Starfleet, it helped take the Ferengi from cowardly, selfish and comedic characters into a species that can be brave and who you care about. gooseberry fool, even Quark turned into a hero!
I know it's the future and the Federation is supposed to be peaceful (even though they have been non-stop fighting since even before Kirk's days ), but an old fashioned machine gun or RPG would have worked wonders here.
Covenant
I get that people believe all sorts of gooseberry fool, but following Dukat?
I'm not a fan of the religious stuff, but I do like Dukat as a character, although I could do without him leading "devil" worshippers into a Jonestown suicide cult. And at least Jim Jones had the bollocks to go through with it himself..
A 5/10 overall. Not gooseberry fool, not great.
It's Only A Paper Moon
Vic bloody Fontaine again? Is that guy the director or something?
Poor Nog.
And (even if I don't get the fascination with the character) poor Fontaine as well. I don't know if he's actually sentient, but he sure feels like he is.
Great performance from Eisenberg, even under all that latex, he really sold the emotion.
Part of me just wants space battles and shagging green aliens (irl as well ) rather than anything emotional. But this was a great episode and an important one I feel.
Prodigal Daughter
Did they know it was the final season when making it? It seems way too late in the day to be introducing and spending so much time with a "new" character like Ezri. She's not irritating me as much as she did at the start, but she still feels like we are wasting time getting to know her instead of getting on with the Dominion War.
I don't care about the Orion Syndicate and I don't care about Ezri's family. This was just so dull and boring. Meh.
The Emperor's New Cloak
The mirror universe has definitely run its course, any novelty has long worn out and it's just getting increasingly ridiculous. I hope it doesn't continue in Voyager. Rubbish.
Field of Fire
It's not as bad as the first few seasons, but this final season is turning out to be a damp squib. I hope it picks up a bit in the final 12 or so episodes, because it's getting dull.
As for this episode? It's just average. Not crap, not good, just average. And being able to watch other people in their rooms is creepy as strawberry float
Chimera
A bit better than the last couple of episodes, but Laas is a wanker. As are the Klingons.
I don't buy that humanoids (in this idealised future, not here in the present day!) are predisposed to hate changelings, if a human can accept a Ferengi, then some goo in a bucket isn't going to bother us.
It was only after reading Wikipedia after the episode that I found out Laas was played by the same actor who played General Martok. He did very well, even taking into account make up/latex, he was nothing like Martok.
Christ, they love that holosuite 60s crooner guy don't they.
We're a long way from the days of a Redshirt being killed and Kirk not even remembering they existed 30 seconds later. You just know in TOS that him and McCoy would have been pissing themselves laughing as soon as they got back to their ship.
A brutal episode, showing the horror of war, poor Nog! It was a great decision to make him join Starfleet, it helped take the Ferengi from cowardly, selfish and comedic characters into a species that can be brave and who you care about. gooseberry fool, even Quark turned into a hero!
I know it's the future and the Federation is supposed to be peaceful (even though they have been non-stop fighting since even before Kirk's days
), but an old fashioned machine gun or RPG would have worked wonders here. Covenant
I get that people believe all sorts of gooseberry fool, but following Dukat?
I'm not a fan of the religious stuff, but I do like Dukat as a character, although I could do without him leading "devil" worshippers into a Jonestown suicide cult. And at least Jim Jones had the bollocks to go through with it himself..
A 5/10 overall. Not gooseberry fool, not great.
It's Only A Paper Moon
Vic bloody Fontaine again? Is that guy the director or something?
Poor Nog.
And (even if I don't get the fascination with the character) poor Fontaine as well. I don't know if he's actually sentient, but he sure feels like he is.Great performance from Eisenberg, even under all that latex, he really sold the emotion.
Part of me just wants space battles and shagging green aliens (irl as well
) rather than anything emotional. But this was a great episode and an important one I feel.Prodigal Daughter
Did they know it was the final season when making it? It seems way too late in the day to be introducing and spending so much time with a "new" character like Ezri. She's not irritating me as much as she did at the start, but she still feels like we are wasting time getting to know her instead of getting on with the Dominion War.
I don't care about the Orion Syndicate and I don't care about Ezri's family. This was just so dull and boring. Meh.
The Emperor's New Cloak
The mirror universe has definitely run its course, any novelty has long worn out and it's just getting increasingly ridiculous. I hope it doesn't continue in Voyager. Rubbish.
Field of Fire
It's not as bad as the first few seasons, but this final season is turning out to be a damp squib. I hope it picks up a bit in the final 12 or so episodes, because it's getting dull.
As for this episode? It's just average. Not crap, not good, just average. And being able to watch other people in their rooms is creepy as strawberry float
Chimera
A bit better than the last couple of episodes, but Laas is a wanker. As are the Klingons.
I don't buy that humanoids (in this idealised future, not here in the present day!) are predisposed to hate changelings, if a human can accept a Ferengi, then some goo in a bucket isn't going to bother us.
It was only after reading Wikipedia after the episode that I found out Laas was played by the same actor who played General Martok. He did very well, even taking into account make up/latex, he was nothing like Martok.
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Badda-Bing Badda Bang
I'm guessing from the title that this is a Vic Fontaine episode. And I predict I'll hate it.
Ok I was wrong, Star Trek doing Ocean's 11 is good fun. And there's more evidence from Sisko that Star Trek never did politics before the modern obsession with woke. 
I'm not sure all the holosuite issues or resolution made any sense, but it didn't matter.
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
I don't know if I like this Section 31 thing. It strikes me as the influence of things like the X-Files (secret shadowy groups running the world!) and is somewhat out of place for the Federation.
Still, misgivings aside, I liked this. Bashir is either a genius choice as a secret agent or the most ridiculous. He has the sex drive of Bond I guess, just without the success rate.
It all got a little too convoluted at the end, sometimes twists and turns in a story just distract rather than enhance.
Penumbra
I've taken out the "part 1" in the title as all the remaining episodes have different titles but have "part 1, part 2 etc", I assume it's going to be a long continuous story from here until the end. Hopefully we (finally!) get properly back to the war!
This one felt like set up for what's coming. Sisko here, Worf/Dax over there, Dukat doing stuff etc. It's going to be tougher to write up these episodes if there's no real ending.
I am interested in this disease that the Founders have. How is the Founder who's with the Cardassians getting sick from a disease that is in the Great Link? Isn't she stuck on our side of the galaxy?
Till Death Do Us Part
I've watched up to the opening credits and feel its prediction time. I'm betting it wasn't the prophets that spoke to Kai Winn, I bet it was the pa/pah (sp?) wraiths.
I laughed when Worf shouted "Alexander!". I assumed he had forgotten all about him again.
Kai Winn is so thick, Dukat might look different, but his voice is identical. And I assume the surgery altered every part of him?
With the prophets warnings, I assume either Kasidy or Sisko will die before the end of the series. It's hinting at Kasidy, but could be Sisko dying trying to save her?
I want to know what the Breen look like underneath those masks. I bet we never find out though
Strange Bedfellows
"LEAVE ME!"
"Oh, shut up!"
How thick is Weyoun/the Dominion? He might not rate the Cardassians or their leader, but they still need them.
Kai Winn has always been a pain in the arse, but strawberry float me she turned quick. And she's still not recognised Dukat's voice?!
The Changing Face of Evil
Wow! I can't accuse this episode of not a lack of things happening! Too much in a way.
Opening with an attack on Earth, destroying the Defiant, the Cardassians starting an uprising and Kai Winn turning to murder!
It was a huge mistake to act like banana splits to the Cardassian leader. But an even bigger mistake here to not destroy the escape pods after the battle. Idiots!
This is shaping up to be an excellent end to the series!
I'm guessing from the title that this is a Vic Fontaine episode. And I predict I'll hate it.
Ok I was wrong, Star Trek doing Ocean's 11 is good fun. And there's more evidence from Sisko that Star Trek never did politics before the modern obsession with woke.
I'm not sure all the holosuite issues or resolution made any sense, but it didn't matter.
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
I don't know if I like this Section 31 thing. It strikes me as the influence of things like the X-Files (secret shadowy groups running the world!) and is somewhat out of place for the Federation.
Still, misgivings aside, I liked this. Bashir is either a genius choice as a secret agent or the most ridiculous. He has the sex drive of Bond I guess, just without the success rate.
It all got a little too convoluted at the end, sometimes twists and turns in a story just distract rather than enhance.
Penumbra
I've taken out the "part 1" in the title as all the remaining episodes have different titles but have "part 1, part 2 etc", I assume it's going to be a long continuous story from here until the end. Hopefully we (finally!) get properly back to the war!
This one felt like set up for what's coming. Sisko here, Worf/Dax over there, Dukat doing stuff etc. It's going to be tougher to write up these episodes if there's no real ending.
I am interested in this disease that the Founders have. How is the Founder who's with the Cardassians getting sick from a disease that is in the Great Link? Isn't she stuck on our side of the galaxy?
Till Death Do Us Part
I've watched up to the opening credits and feel its prediction time. I'm betting it wasn't the prophets that spoke to Kai Winn, I bet it was the pa/pah (sp?) wraiths.
I laughed when Worf shouted "Alexander!". I assumed he had forgotten all about him again.
Kai Winn is so thick, Dukat might look different, but his voice is identical. And I assume the surgery altered every part of him?
With the prophets warnings, I assume either Kasidy or Sisko will die before the end of the series. It's hinting at Kasidy, but could be Sisko dying trying to save her?
I want to know what the Breen look like underneath those masks. I bet we never find out though
Strange Bedfellows
"LEAVE ME!"
"Oh, shut up!"
How thick is Weyoun/the Dominion? He might not rate the Cardassians or their leader, but they still need them.
Kai Winn has always been a pain in the arse, but strawberry float me she turned quick. And she's still not recognised Dukat's voice?!
The Changing Face of Evil
Wow! I can't accuse this episode of not a lack of things happening! Too much in a way.
Opening with an attack on Earth, destroying the Defiant, the Cardassians starting an uprising and Kai Winn turning to murder!
It was a huge mistake to act like banana splits to the Cardassian leader. But an even bigger mistake here to not destroy the escape pods after the battle. Idiots!
This is shaping up to be an excellent end to the series!
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Lagamorph wrote:DS9 has pretty much entered the "It almost never stops escalating" stage now
Yeah, it's great that the last season gets it's filler stuff out of the way quite early on and then spends pretty much the whole second half of the season soley focused on the main story. It's wonderful.
With that in mind I like how informal this has been with Moggy posting his reviews so I'm not doing a seperate thread for Voyager.
Probably just do four episodes a week and work through them.
I'll pickup the show from there as DS9 is a lost cause right now. I think I rewatched it too soon.
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Controversial opinion but overall I liked Voyager more than DS9 
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Haven't watched Voyager since it originally went out on BBC2 back in the day so it's definitely one I'm equal parts excited and concerned about revisiting...
My DS9 rewatch has slowed up a lot over the last few weeks - summer holidays means kids staying up later and getting in the way of precious Trek Re-Watch time! Last watched Doctor Bashir, I Presume? which has a nice cameo from everyone's favourite EMH - Robert Picardo is clearly enjoying himself a lot here! And we also find out that Julian "Jules" Bashir has been genetically modified as a child, something which was obvious from the start - nobody could be this insufferable through natural causes!
My DS9 rewatch has slowed up a lot over the last few weeks - summer holidays means kids staying up later and getting in the way of precious Trek Re-Watch time! Last watched Doctor Bashir, I Presume? which has a nice cameo from everyone's favourite EMH - Robert Picardo is clearly enjoying himself a lot here! And we also find out that Julian "Jules" Bashir has been genetically modified as a child, something which was obvious from the start - nobody could be this insufferable through natural causes!
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Lagamorph wrote:Controversial opinion but overall I liked Voyager more than DS9
Is that controversial? I completely agree.
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Cheeky Devlin wrote:Lagamorph wrote:DS9 has pretty much entered the "It almost never stops escalating" stage now
Yeah, it's great that the last season gets it's filler stuff out of the way quite early on and then spends pretty much the whole second half of the season soley focused on the main story. It's wonderful.
With that in mind I like how informal this has been with Moggy posting his reviews so I'm not doing a seperate thread for Voyager.
Probably just do four episodes a week and work through them.
I'll pickup the show from there as DS9 is a lost cause right now. I think I rewatched it too soon.
Obviously up to you, but it might be worth starting a new thread for the new show. A fresh start might be less intimidating for people joining in, less of a "oh strawberry float I have to watch all of DS9 to catch up with the thread!".
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Moggy wrote:Lagamorph wrote:Controversial opinion but overall I liked Voyager more than DS9
Is that controversial? I completely agree.
Guess it depends which bit of the fanbase you talk to
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When it Rains...
Less action in this one, but it's all building up nicely.
The Odo medical file stuff is very interesting. Looking at it coldly, it makes sense to do what Starfleet/Section 31 are doing. Morally wrong, but logically sound. Damn, I sound like a Vulcan!
Tacking into the Wind
Gowron has the greatest eyes. I'm going to miss that crazy banana split!
Worf should have taken power though.
Another one that feels like it's setting up the finale, which is weird as plenty happened here!
Extreme Measures
O'Brien definitely likes Bashir more than his wife. It's not even close.
Bashir and O'Brien were both great, but the episode itself was a bit meh. I'm never much of a fan of going into someone's mind/a simulation stories, especially when it ends up that you have no idea if they have gotten out of it. I'm glad they cured Odo though. I imagine the discussions now will be whether they should cure the Founders
The Dogs of War
What was the point of destroying the Defiant only to replace it with an identical ship called the Defiant?
The Nagus/Quark storyline is more proof that there's no politics in Star Trek.
Not a great deal of resolution to anything in this one, just setting up everything for the finale. I'm hoping this show goes out with a bang, it's been a very uneven TV show, but this final run of episodes has been very good. I hope that means the end is satisfying!
I just read on Wikipedia that Brunt and Weyoun are played by the same actor! strawberry float me, I had no idea at all!
What You Leave Behind
Here we go then, the end of DS9. I'm predicting at least one major death, the Dominion pushed back to the Gamma Quadrant and the wormhole being permanently closed (battle between the Prophets and the Pah-Wraiths). I also expect Odo will give the Founders the cure.
Overall, DS9 was decent. But its lows were very very low. I almost gave up in the late second/early third season. It got better and the highs of the show were very high. But it's comfortably behind Next Gen and behind the Original Series. It beats the Animated Series though.
Garek and Quark were two of my favourite characters. And oddly Nog. That little strawberry floater turned into a brilliant character and had some real depth.
Ok, onto Voyager!
Less action in this one, but it's all building up nicely.
The Odo medical file stuff is very interesting. Looking at it coldly, it makes sense to do what Starfleet/Section 31 are doing. Morally wrong, but logically sound. Damn, I sound like a Vulcan!
Tacking into the Wind
Gowron has the greatest eyes.
I'm going to miss that crazy banana split! Worf should have taken power though.
Another one that feels like it's setting up the finale, which is weird as plenty happened here!
Extreme Measures
O'Brien definitely likes Bashir more than his wife. It's not even close.
Bashir and O'Brien were both great, but the episode itself was a bit meh. I'm never much of a fan of going into someone's mind/a simulation stories, especially when it ends up that you have no idea if they have gotten out of it. I'm glad they cured Odo though. I imagine the discussions now will be whether they should cure the Founders
The Dogs of War
What was the point of destroying the Defiant only to replace it with an identical ship called the Defiant?
The Nagus/Quark storyline is more proof that there's no politics in Star Trek.
Not a great deal of resolution to anything in this one, just setting up everything for the finale. I'm hoping this show goes out with a bang, it's been a very uneven TV show, but this final run of episodes has been very good. I hope that means the end is satisfying!
I just read on Wikipedia that Brunt and Weyoun are played by the same actor! strawberry float me, I had no idea at all!
What You Leave Behind
Here we go then, the end of DS9. I'm predicting at least one major death, the Dominion pushed back to the Gamma Quadrant and the wormhole being permanently closed (battle between the Prophets and the Pah-Wraiths). I also expect Odo will give the Founders the cure.
Overall, DS9 was decent. But its lows were very very low. I almost gave up in the late second/early third season. It got better and the highs of the show were very high. But it's comfortably behind Next Gen and behind the Original Series. It beats the Animated Series though.
Garek and Quark were two of my favourite characters. And oddly Nog. That little strawberry floater turned into a brilliant character and had some real depth.
Ok, onto Voyager!
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Well done Moggy.
I'll get the Voyager Thread set up later today.
I'll get the Voyager Thread set up later today.
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