Begun the Wiki wars have

bear wrote:
satriales wrote:
bear wrote:Pffft, cooldawn knows what I'm taking the mick over even if I do think Satriales is overstating the benefits of Sonys approach.

I'm talking about benefits to the consumer. Unlike many others here I don't care how much profit Sony make nor do I care if the developers have to put their thinking caps on when creating a game. As long as I get good hardware and good games then the other things have very little relevance to me, which is why I like Sony's approach.

Is it really beneficial to the consumer though? Looking at something as arbitrary as Eurogamers face-offs the PS3 still doesn't win on a consistent basis and for a long time the 360 always came out on top which isn't a particularly great result considering how much more expensive the system was at launch. Plus, some developers like Valve don't bother releasing PS3 games as the architecture is too different from the PC/360 layout for them to consider it worthwhile.

I guess purely in terms of using unique architecture there are positive and negative points, but in general releasing hardware at a loss is definitely beneficial to the consumer as they get lots of stuff for their money. The blu-ray player in the PS3 is still one of the best ones you can get and they included HDMI from the start, a HDD in every console, and built-in wifi. All this stuff is part of the reason why Sony made a loss on the console but it benefits the user having that stuff from the start, and the standard HDD is also beneficial to developers.

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **Floex** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:34 pm

*Looks at page 1* Japanese Businessmen

*Looks at page 7* Grcade 'developers' having a fanboy war

What the strawberry float just happened here?

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **satriales** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:37 pm

Floex wrote:*Looks at page 1* Japanese Businessmen

*Looks at page 7* Grcade 'developers' having a fanboy war

What the strawberry float just happened here?

I dunno, it's all a blur but I think we had lots of fun.

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **bear** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:41 pm

Floex wrote:*Looks at page 1* Japanese Businessmen

*Looks at page 7* Grcade 'developers' having a fanboy war

What the strawberry float just happened here?

Fanboy war? Its been quite civil apart from Buffalos charming contribution.

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **Shadow** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:50 pm

Floex wrote:*Looks at page 1* Japanese Businessmen

*Looks at page 7* Grcade 'developers' having a fanboy war

What the strawberry float just happened here?

The funny thing is, all the people who are actually developers, who actually know the hard and fast facts of the discussion can't/daren't contribute. :lol:

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **Dual** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:51 pm

Had to sig that.

In one sentence MCN made you all look strawberry floating ridiculous. Because that's what you are. Just dickheads throwing inane gooseberry fool at one another.

You need to get a grip.

I never realised Jeremy Kyle posted here.

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **Qikz** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:26 pm

Wait, what happened to this thread? :lol:

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **Rik** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:42 pm

Dual wrote:Had to sig that.

In one sentence MCN made you all look strawberry floating ridiculous. Because that's what you are. Just dickheads throwing inane gooseberry fool at one another.

You need to get a grip.

I don't see anybody being abusive.....apart from you. So well done, you win the thread.

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **Dual** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:56 pm

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **Buffalo** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:58 pm

bear wrote:
Floex wrote:*Looks at page 1* Japanese Businessmen

*Looks at page 7* Grcade 'developers' having a fanboy war

What the strawberry float just happened here?

Fanboy war? Its been quite civil apart from Buffalos charming contribution.

I aim to please 8-)

Another car crash of a thread, right here on GRcade.

Something Fishy

Been playing some more Metro.. absolutely stunning in places and proof that the 360, as with the ps3 had a lot more to give. It's amazing what they've done in this game in places.

Rik wrote:
So no I'm not an expert but I don't need to go on wikipedia to know that Rik is wrong.

I'm not though

You said this...

Rik wrote:However like I have already said the limiting factor in both the 360/PS3 that most devs complain about is the lack of Ram, that is why devs were recently so pleased when the PS3 OS allowed another paltry 70mb available.

Rik wrote:I said that devs were pleased about the extra Ram, the news articles give the timeframes not me. However that isn't the point anyway

...and the bold bit implies it was your point.

Rik wrote:the point was the consoles are not limited by their CPU but by other factors mainly the available amount of Ram, this is true for both PS3 and 360. I haven't heard any devs bemoaning hitting the CPU limit on the 360 but plenty talking about DVD space and the amount of Ram.

Didn't EPIC say they neared the limits of the hardware with Gears of War 2...some along the lines of 'the upper range' or summat? Also didn't the Turn10 guys say the same?

Rik wrote:So anyone who thinks games on PS3 are going to magically take huge leaps because of Cell isn't taking into account the rest of the hardware constraints. Making a side issue out of when some extra ram became available to devs is just silly, the point that they need to do this as that is where the performance bottleneck lies is unchanged.

SCE know they strawberry floated up with the amount of RAM the OS needed so they have been working to reduce that ever since. Major bottlenecks comes from inefficient/bad code. Like online bad or inefficient code will result in disconnects and bad lag. Good efficient code results in a smooth gameplay experience.

Something Fishy

cooldawn wrote:Didn't EPIC say they neared the limits of the hardware with Gears of War 2...some along the lines of 'the upper range' or summat? Also didn't the Turn10 guys say the same?

.

Metro 2033 says they're either talking gooseberry fool, don'tknow how to exploit the system or what it can do or... are working with a UE engine which has reached it's limit in the case of Epic.

A small eastern dev just showed them all up big time.

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **BID0** » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:59 pm

Something Fishy

ouch

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **satriales** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:00 pm

Bump. Don't let this great thread die :lol:

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **jamcc** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:18 pm

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **SEP** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:20 pm

One for the Archive, I think.

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **jamcc** » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:27 pm

Yeah but not yet, there's plenty more good quality debate left in it.

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