Begun the Wiki wars have

I never realised we had so many experienced developers here.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:I never realised we had so many experienced developers here.

It's crazy isn't it :lol:

suzzopher wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:I never realised we had so many experienced developers here.

It's crazy isn't it

Obviously everyone here knows the consoles inside out, and isn't just reading Wikipedia.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
suzzopher wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:I never realised we had so many experienced developers here.

It's crazy isn't it

Obviously everyone here knows the consoles inside out, and isn't just reading Wikipedia.

Rik has been secretly developing hardware for everyone since 1983. That is why he has so many units of each console.

I don't know the ins and outs of the console but I do have an interest in the techincal side of things as I hope to get a job in that area soon enough, and I am trying to develop a few games at the moment. So no I'm not an expert but I don't need to go on wikipedia to know that Rik is wrong.

So no I'm not an expert but I don't need to go on wikipedia to know that Rik is wrong.

I'm not though :lol:

I said that devs were pleased about the extra Ram, the news articles give the timeframes not me. However that isn't the point anyway

the point was the consoles are not limited by their CPU but by other factors mainly the available amount of Ram, this is true for both PS3 and 360. I haven't heard any devs bemoaning hitting the CPU limit on the 360 but plenty talking about DVD space and the amount of Ram.

So anyone who thinks games on PS3 are going to magically take huge leaps because of Cell isn't taking into account the rest of the hardware constraints. Making a side issue out of when some extra ram became available to devs is just silly, the point that they need to do this as that is where the performance bottleneck lies is unchanged.

Something Fishy

suzzopher wrote:You guys and your sofa coding powers

oi.. some of program for a living dude! (albeit commercially)

Trebell wrote:
suzzopher wrote:You guys and your sofa coding powers

oi.. some of program for a living dude! (albeit commercially)

I didn't mean you, don't worry. It was more of the Wikipedia fight between Rik and Cooldawn :lol:

Something Fishy

suzzopher wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:I never realised we had so many experienced developers here.

It's crazy isn't it

so should those of us who have programmed for years and years, though commerically as a professional not comment? (I admit i've not written games since my early post uni days but i keep a keen interest).

I've said i don't work with it but I do have the knowledge background to understand it Suzz and never claim to be a master of things that i've not spent serious time coding with.

ah.. justread your last one.. fair enough.

EDIT: nvm.

I don't see why we can't just enjoy the games, without getting into these fights every strawberry floating day :fp:

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Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
We weren't talking about you. It's more about Rik and CD.

Cheers mate, I realised that and edited my post.

as i say though, I feel fine to make some judgements based on my knowledge and skills but never claim an expertise in those areas.

suzzopher wrote:
Trebell wrote:
suzzopher wrote:You guys and your sofa coding powers

oi.. some of program for a living dude! (albeit commercially)

I didn't mean you, don't worry. It was more of the Wikipedia fight between Rik and Cooldawn

I haven't even used Wiki. I can't make a car engine but I understand how it works.

However since you're on the inside why don't you comment on what is being said, what currently limits you working on PS3/360 the CPU or the Ram?

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **Christopher** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:36 pm

Sadly I am no longer able to talk about such things.

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **Rik** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:37 pm

suzzopher wrote:Sadly I am no longer able to talk about such things.

Really?

It's nothing specific about a project is it.

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **Christopher** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:38 pm

Rik wrote:
suzzopher wrote:Sadly I am no longer able to talk about such things.

Really?

It's nothing specific about a project is it.

No but there are things you can say and things you can't say. This is one of those. As I would be picking on one platform.

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by **SEP** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:40 pm

suzzopher wrote:
Rik wrote:
suzzopher wrote:Sadly I am no longer able to talk about such things.

Really?

It's nothing specific about a project is it.

No but there are things you can say and things you can't say. This is one of those. As I would be picking on one platform.

Not good for business and/or continued employment.

Something Fishy

suzzopher wrote:
Rik wrote:
suzzopher wrote:Sadly I am no longer able to talk about such things.

Really?

It's nothing specific about a project is it.

No but there are things you can say and things you can't say. This is one of those. As I would be picking on one platform.

Indeed and thus it's wise to say nothing

(personally i don't think anyone could attack you raising the strengths and weaknesses of each as they both have plenty but i quite understand your reasons dude).

PostRe: Begun the Wiki wars have by KK » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:58 pm

"Ding, Ding...Round strawberry floating 2"

satriales wrote:
bear wrote:Pffft, cooldawn knows what I'm taking the mick over even if I do think Satriales is overstating the benefits of Sonys approach.

I'm talking about benefits to the consumer. Unlike many others here I don't care how much profit Sony make nor do I care if the developers have to put their thinking caps on when creating a game. As long as I get good hardware and good games then the other things have very little relevance to me, which is why I like Sony's approach.

Is it really beneficial to the consumer though? Looking at something as arbitrary as Eurogamers face-offs the PS3 still doesn't win on a consistent basis and for a long time the 360 always came out on top which isn't a particularly great result considering how much more expensive the system was at launch. Plus, some developers like Valve don't bother releasing PS3 games as the architecture is too different from the PC/360 layout for them to consider it worthwhile.

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