Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 116 injured

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Dblock » Wed May 24, 2017 10:24 pm

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Saint of Killers » Wed May 24, 2017 10:35 pm

KK wrote:And now the US have leaked a load of our photos. As in the ACTUAL EVIDENCE. :fp:


I wonder if this leak was done out of spite after Rudd's comments this morning about being annoyed at initial leak...

What the hell does the leaker get out of leaking this anyway? This is hardly essential info that the UK authorities are keeping from regular people, is it?

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed May 24, 2017 10:53 pm

How are the US getting hold of all this stuff that they are leaking?

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Cuttooth » Wed May 24, 2017 10:53 pm

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KK wrote:And now the US have leaked a load of our photos. As in the ACTUAL EVIDENCE. :fp:


I wonder if this leak was done out of spite after Rudd's comments this morning about being annoyed at initial leak...

What the hell does the leaker get out of leaking this anyway? This is hardly essential info that the UK authorities are keeping from regular people, is it?


It's incredibly ghoulish to leak pictures of the device but it suggests a big failure of British intelligence for the first time since 2005. Most (if not all in Britain since the London bombings) of the large scale attacks that require planning and expert conspirators have been stopped using the intelligence and evidence that large scale operations leave in their wake. The only ones slipping through tend to be one or two people taking common objects like knives and vehicles and using them destructively because smaller scale attacks are going to be near enough impossible to completely stop.

The device was supposedly very sophisticated, which suggests the intelligence services were too many steps behind this strawberry floater and those helping him to stop him before it was too late. That's probably why the threat level was increased to its highest level; there's probably a group of high-level conspirators out there who now know they still have some time to successfully carry out more atrocities.

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Grumpy David » Wed May 24, 2017 11:03 pm

Ffs Dblock. Conspiracy theory nonsense. :fp:

It was a fundamentalist nut job Muslim who did this. It wasn't some government conspiracy to ensure May wins the election. Or whatever babble you believe. :fp:

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by KK » Wed May 24, 2017 11:05 pm

Notice how Russia were uncharacteristically right out of the gate sending their condolences to the UK. Who benifits the most if the two closest allies have a falling out, or cease communicating intel.

Whatever US department, everything now leaks. It's constant. It's not that far of a stretch to think that Russia might have numerous people on the inside.

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by KK » Wed May 24, 2017 11:10 pm

Whitehall source to The Guardian wrote:We are furious. This is completely unacceptable. These images leaked from inside the US system will be distressing for victims, their families and the wider public. The issue is being raised at every relevant level by the British authorities with their US counterparts.

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Garth » Wed May 24, 2017 11:18 pm

Damn, pictures leaked now too? I was just reading Amber Rudd's comments about the previous leak:
I have been very clear with our friends that it should not happen again.

I can say they are perfectly clear that it will not happen again.

:dread:

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by KK » Wed May 24, 2017 11:24 pm

And we want to do a trade deal with these arse clowns. Definitely won't screw us over there...

Hopefully Trump will have been impeached by then.

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 59 injured
by Rocsteady » Wed May 24, 2017 11:35 pm

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KK wrote:Horribly misjudged front page from The Sun tomorrow. They're literally the only newspaper to put the attacker on their front page. And then they've put the youngest victim next to him.


This front cover is many things, misjudged is not one of them. Those disgusting cretins are completely aware of what they're doing.


It is, always has been and always will be a classless rag. Read by pondlife.


I actually lodged an IPSO complaint against them yesterday due to their coverage and associated articles. They were even worse than the Mail, which is a strawberry floating challenge.


For all the things wrong with the Mail (and it’s a long list) they do occasionally get things right. I will never forget when they called out the Stephen Lawrence killers as “Murderers” on their front page and dared them to sue them for it.

Have The Sun ever done anything worthwhile? Other than boobs, a cheap holiday to Spain and the odd funny pun? It’s an absolute rag and about time the rest of the country caught up with how the people of Liverpool treat it.

This is a total aside and from pages ago but just something I quickly want to note: I always thought the same, and was surprised at the Mail having done some good for once back then.

Stephen Lawrence's father worked helping out Dacre, something like redecorated his house, before the murder of his son. That's the sole reason they actually ran a positive campaign.

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Rex Kramer » Thu May 25, 2017 6:55 am

KK wrote:And we want to do a trade deal with these arse clowns. Definitely won't screw us over there...

Hopefully Trump will have been impeached by then.

If anything, this strengthens Trump's claim that the security services in the US are as leaky as a colander. Unless of course that was the intention and the leak didn't actually originate from the security services...

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Squinty » Thu May 25, 2017 7:17 am

Garth wrote:Damn, pictures leaked now too? I was just reading Amber Rudd's comments about the previous leak:
I have been very clear with our friends that it should not happen again.

I can say they are perfectly clear that it will not happen again.

:dread:


And people think this is a false flag attack, to make the Tories look better :|

I have to agree with DBlock on one thing. The Muslim community are being absolutely demonised on social media. There seems to be no distinction between peaceful Muslims and the absolute twats who do stuff like this.

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Lagamorph » Thu May 25, 2017 8:21 am

Manchester police have now stopped sharing intelligence with the US due to the leaks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40040210

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Saint of Killers » Thu May 25, 2017 8:40 am

Lagamorph wrote:Manchester police have now stopped sharing intelligence with the US due to the leaks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40040210


I'm surprised that intelligence sharing such that is handled at a local level.

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by False » Thu May 25, 2017 8:45 am

Probably shared at the top level and then disseminated down.

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Squinty » Thu May 25, 2017 9:43 am

Lagamorph wrote:Manchester police have now stopped sharing intelligence with the US due to the leaks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40040210


Good. It's an investigation ffs.

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Gandalf » Thu May 25, 2017 9:56 am

http://news.sky.com/story/ariana-grande-cancels-tour-after-manchester-arena-terror-attack-10891745

Ariana Grande has cancelled her tour.

I'm sat on the fence about this. One side, I can see her side of the point. She was unintentionally caught up in the atrocity and would be upset, cautious, emotional and probably wouldn't be up for putting on a show. Yet on the other hand, she needs to get out there, put on a show, be defiant, stick two fingers up to those spineless banana splits as a big 'strawberry float You!'

A tough choice.

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by False » Thu May 25, 2017 9:58 am

I probably wouldnt want to go on stage an do my songs and risque dance routines when after the last show a bunch of people got blown up.

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by KK » Thu May 25, 2017 10:09 am

Why intelligence sharing is so important...

Guardian wrote:Abedi flew to Düsseldorf last week

The Manchester suicide bomber flew to the western German city of Düsseldorf, four days before the arena attack, German authorities have confirmed.

It is known that the 22-year old travelled to Germany at least twice, including a visit to the financial city of Frankfurt.

News of his presence in Germany has raised suspicions that he may have had contact with Islamist networks there, and received logistics training from them.

Düsseldorf is in the state of North Rhein Westphalia where Anis Amri, the Berlin Christmas market attacker spent time.

Security authorities in the state have come under fire for their patchy surveillance of Amri, who was allowed to travel around Germany freely, despite authorities’ misgivings about him.

North Rhein Westphalen is home to hundreds of people considered a security threat due to their close links to Islamist groups.

Fifty-five mosques in the state are under close observation for their suspected links to the Islamist scene.

According to the German magazine Focus, Abedi was not apprehended by German authorities when he flew in to the country, because he was not on any observation list of suspected Islamists.

Counter-terrorism experts have now opened an investigation into whether Abedi may have had contact to radical German Islamists in North Rhein Westphalia.

However it is not known whether he spent any length of time in Düsseldorf, or whether he simply changed planes there en route from Libya to Manchester.

According to Focus, citing information from German intelligence, Abedi also flew to Frankfurt am Main from Britain in 2015. This was before he undertook paramilitary training in Syria, according to information received by Germany’s BKA from their counterparts at Scotland Yard, according to Focus.

The man power necessary to trail all these people must be incredible when you consider it takes around 20 or so officers to monitor 1 person 24/7.

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PostRe: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
by Moggy » Thu May 25, 2017 10:21 am

Gandalf wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/ariana-grande-cancels-tour-after-manchester-arena-terror-attack-10891745

Ariana Grande has cancelled her tour.

I'm sat on the fence about this. One side, I can see her side of the point. She was unintentionally caught up in the atrocity and would be upset, cautious, emotional and probably wouldn't be up for putting on a show. Yet on the other hand, she needs to get out there, put on a show, be defiant, stick two fingers up to those spineless banana splits as a big 'strawberry float You!'

A tough choice.


I'd imagine this has left her emotionally destroyed. A load of kids come to see you perform and get blown up? That's got to strawberry float with your head and make you feel incredibly guilty, even though it is not your fault.

I completely understand why she has cancelled her tour. It's not her responsibility to say "strawberry float you" to terrorists.


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