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Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:09 pm
by Hexx
Preezy wrote:Question from an ignoramus - does the UK currently revoke passports for people that go and fight for ISIS?
I don't think we revoke many passports (A Guardian article in 2016 says something like 40 since 2000 - which suggests it's not automatic)
I remember their being some legal challenge (I think May was Home Secretary) that they couldn't take someone's passport of them as it would make the chap "stateless". Not sure if that was someone that went to fight etc or was just a suspect on UK soil
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:10 pm
by Eighthours
https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/24/may-ca ... lame-ge17/Campaigning hasn't been suspended until Sunday. Fake news-peddling, lying twats.
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:11 pm
by Moggy
Eighthours wrote:https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/24/may-calls-in-troops-to-hide-her-weakness-and-blame-ge17/
Campaigning hasn't been suspended until Sunday. Fake news-peddling, lying twats.
In real news, UKIP are going to restart campaigning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40026416
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:16 pm
by Eighthours
Moggy wrote:Eighthours wrote:https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/24/may-calls-in-troops-to-hide-her-weakness-and-blame-ge17/
Campaigning hasn't been suspended until Sunday. Fake news-peddling, lying twats.
In real news, UKIP are going to restart campaigning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40026416
Will this be the starting gun for full scale resumption, or will the other parties not reciprocate cos it's quite politically advantageous / funny to have the open goal of UKIP being 'uncaring'?
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:18 pm
by Eighthours
What's the issue with The Sun's front page, btw? Insensitivity over the pic of the girl? Glorifying the strawberry floater who did this? Taking the emotion out of it all for a second, it seems like quite a clever composition. Is it genuine outrage, or just 'cos The Sun' we unleash the usual insults against that particular newspaper?
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:31 pm
by Squinty
Preezy wrote:Some light research shows that we don't, due to international law requiring that no person be left stateless. Can may be applied to those with dual nationality, but seems unlikely.
I did a bit of looking into it as well, and I came to the same conclusion.
Although I'm not very good with the ins and outs of residency, passports and all that jazz.
I'm a bit surprised if that is the case.
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:40 pm
by OrangeRKN
Eighthours wrote:What's the issue with The Sun's front page, btw?
For fear of veering off topic, I tried looking it up to see what it was but it's missing from both
BBC's the papers and
thepaperboy. What's up with that?
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:57 pm
by <]:^D
there are a lot of good reasons why you dont take away someone's passport on the suspicion (or even with some decent evidence) that they're up to no good.
this article sums it up well
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/01/stripping-criminals-uk-citizenship-racisrt-sex-abusers-terrorists-two-classes-citizens
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 1:23 pm
by Hexx
OrangeRakoon wrote:Eighthours wrote:What's the issue with The Sun's front page, btw?
For fear of veering off topic, I tried looking it up to see what it was but it's missing from both
BBC's the papers and
thepaperboy. What's up with that?
IIRC it's a bit of a mess.
There's one (presumably printed before Manchester unfolded) with headline along the lines of "Corbyn:BLOOD ON HIS HANDS" (talking about 'revelations' from an IRA member)
They seem to have reprinted/reissued, but some of the former are in circulation. Assume that's why they don't appear in your links
Or it might mean a later one?
twitter.com/SunApology/status/867131161256001536
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 1:53 pm
by <]:^D
Eighthours wrote:What's the issue with The Sun's front page, btw? Insensitivity over the pic of the girl? Glorifying the strawberry floater who did this? Taking the emotion out of it all for a second, it seems like quite a clever composition. Is it genuine outrage, or just 'cos The Sun' we unleash the usual insults against that particular newspaper?
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 2:05 pm
by Pancake
I am in total agreement with Mr Forensic Scientist.
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 59 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 2:15 pm
by LewisD
Moggy wrote:Pancake wrote:Denster wrote:I'm outraged and angry that it has happened in my city (and immensely proud of our response) but a lot of my friends are putting on facebook how they are devastated and heartbroken. I'm not really comfortable with that - I don't know if it's because i'm quite callous but if you didn't know any of the victims - I struggle to see how you can be devastated or heartbroken. To me - it just comes across as a bit false and attention seeking. Its a despicable and cowardly act and god knows what the poor families are going through but my overriding emotions are anger at the perpetrators, pride in the response of my mancunians and above all relief that (given my closeness to the area) none of my family or friends were killed or injured.
It just seems that whenever stuff like this occurs - there seems to be an element of almost grief bandwagon jumping from people wholly unconnected to events. Sorry - I know this may not be a popular opinion.
Well I totally agree with that too, 100%.
Agreed.
Agreed. One stand out guy pulling this gooseberry fool was a post that a friend of mine liked.
Oh. You were "in tears" and "aghast" at what happened.
But you're going to hug it out, in a city down the other end of the country, that's cool.
Like, Like, Like, Teary Face, Like, Like, Like, Angry Face, Angry Face
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 2:30 pm
by captain red dog
So apparently the BBC were reporting that the terrorist returned from Libya just a few days ago? If so that is one hell of an intelligence failing.
Are any returning IS fighters actually arrested on their return (not saying this guy was an IS fighter, but he surely should have been closely monitored) . Presumably we would have put a law in place for that?
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 2:38 pm
by KK
May has now described the constant leaks coming out of Washington as "irritating". Basically our intelligence services are keeping the US in the loop, who are pretty much immediately telling it to the press, in this case NBC, putting the UK on the back foot during an ongoing investigation. It just beggars belief. I mean what possible reasoning is there to do this, other than that these morons can jump up and down going 'LOOK WHAT WE KNOW!' like a school kid. It's infuriating and I don't know how we can work with these people.
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 2:41 pm
by Preezy
When will those bloody colonists learn that the Empire conducts its intelligence business in a particular way for a
reason 
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 2:44 pm
by Dual
Vanity knows no bounds.
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 2:52 pm
by captain red dog
Surely though, any associates worth investigating would already go to ground as it would be obvious to them who the attacker was? I can't imagine anyone who didn't know about the attack would be much use to the police in terms of arresting them?
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 2:59 pm
by That
They're evacuating a shopping centre in my city right now, because they found a bag on the floor or whatever. I'm not there but it sounds a bit paranoid to me. The attack was obviously a really awful event and it's understandable that it's on everyone's minds, but if you let it panic you then the terrorists win.
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 3:01 pm
by Corazon de Leon
Karl wrote:They're evacuating a shopping centre in my city right now, because they found a bag on the floor or whatever. I'm not there but it sounds a bit paranoid to me. The attack was obviously a really awful event and it's understandable that it's on everyone's minds, but if you let it panic you then the terrorists win.
It's a slight overreaction but in the days following a bombing you can expect tighter security measures until a full investigation is carried out. I wouldn't call it panic yet.
Re: Manchester Arena suicide bomb - 22 dead, 64 injured
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 3:01 pm
by False
Its critical threat isnt it, so I guess protocol has to be followed - otherwise what is the point of raising the threat level?