Football League & Non League Thread - Preston are 1888/89 champions!

PatSharpsMullet wrote:We're going down with Bowyer in charge. When you're 1-0 down with seven minutes to play, what you don't do is take an attacking minded midfielder off and replace him with a central defender and then stick another central defender up front.

Drumstick wrote:BOOM

Probably not the best phrase to use considering a plane crashed at the Air Show in Shoreham killing at least seven people.

Yeah I wasn't aware of that as I was out at the time. Just miles down the road from me too.

PaperMacheMario wrote:I'm not over the moon about coming back from 3 goals down. There's no way we should be 3-0 down at home to Morecambe, I almost expected us to come back in a way and was actually slightly disappointed we didn't win. It's positive we can come back from that kind of position though, and the whole team had an off day so to recover and get the point is impressive.

Not sure this formation suits Tubbs. Can see Stockley being given a run soon, will be interesting to see how he does. Hopefully this performance (well, the first half at least) was just a blip. Most teams are going to play on the break against us so it's getting the balance between attack and defence sorted.

The whole of Express FM was people phoning in saying we should cash in on Tubbs. I'm sorry but even if he doesn't fit the system thats insane. I'd rather have Tubbs up front in any formation than gamble on Stockley or Chaplin, because Tubbs will always, and I mean ALWAYS get you the odd goal.

The Sun are reporting that Bowyer has been sacked. I won't build my hopes up until the club confirm it but I also fear that we will replace him with someone even more tactically unaware.

DML wrote:
PaperMacheMario wrote:I'm not over the moon about coming back from 3 goals down. There's no way we should be 3-0 down at home to Morecambe, I almost expected us to come back in a way and was actually slightly disappointed we didn't win. It's positive we can come back from that kind of position though, and the whole team had an off day so to recover and get the point is impressive.

Not sure this formation suits Tubbs. Can see Stockley being given a run soon, will be interesting to see how he does. Hopefully this performance (well, the first half at least) was just a blip. Most teams are going to play on the break against us so it's getting the balance between attack and defence sorted.

The whole of Express FM was people phoning in saying we should cash in on Tubbs. I'm sorry but even if he doesn't fit the system thats insane. I'd rather have Tubbs up front in any formation than gamble on Stockley or Chaplin, because Tubbs will always, and I mean ALWAYS get you the odd goal.

We heard this in the car - it's an absolutely ridiculous idea. Last game of the season, we need to win to go up automatically, 0-0 in 90th minute and the ball falls to someone 12 yards out. You absolutely want that to be Tubbs out of anyone in the squad. Playing floating crosses consistently into him today when he has to 6 foot centre backs playing against him and a 6 foot plus keeper who comes for absolutely everything will not mean he'll score goals for us. But we need to have more than a plan A for every game. Tubbs is an exceptional player at this level.

There's no way I'd want us to sell Tubbs, but I wouldn't mind seeing Stockley given a start. Maybe stick with the 4-2-3-1 and play Tubbs just behind Stockley, with Bennett and Roberts either side of him, or even try 2 up front? As I said I don't want to get rid of Tubbs in any way but he's not a lone striker and as such probably doesn't fit the system. It'll be interesting to see what Cook does with him over the season.

Is anyone hoping for a day where clubs start abandoning this 4231 formation. Yes it works for some clubs but if you haven't got an amazing set of three attacking midfielders behind a striker then it just ends up with the striker behind isolated and running around like a headless chicken getting no service. It just doesn't work at every club.

I've noticed already that a number of the lower end clubs in the Prem have dropped the formation but it's still definitely the favoured formation for most clubs at the moment.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Is anyone hoping for a day where clubs start abandoning this 4231 formation. Yes it works for some clubs but if you haven't got an amazing set of three attacking midfielders behind a striker then it just ends up with the striker behind isolated and running around like a headless chicken getting no service. It just doesn't work at every club.

I've noticed already that a number of the lower end clubs in the Prem have dropped the formation but it's still definitely the favoured formation for most clubs at the moment.

Not really sure what you're getting at. Do you find it a boring formation? Or do you just not like every team using it? If it fits the players you've got then play whatever formation you want! I'm more of a 4-3-3 guy myself, but even that is a sort of variation of 4-2-3-1.

PaperMacheMario wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Is anyone hoping for a day where clubs start abandoning this 4231 formation. Yes it works for some clubs but if you haven't got an amazing set of three attacking midfielders behind a striker then it just ends up with the striker behind isolated and running around like a headless chicken getting no service. It just doesn't work at every club.

I've noticed already that a number of the lower end clubs in the Prem have dropped the formation but it's still definitely the favoured formation for most clubs at the moment.

Not really sure what you're getting at. Do you find it a boring formation? Or do you just not like every team using it? If it fits the players you've got then play whatever formation you want! I'm more of a 4-3-3 guy myself, but even that is a sort of variation of 4-2-3-1.

To me it's just the favoured formation of the moment, too many clubs do it as its the popular formation at the moment, for a while it was 451. It's fine if your players fit in with it but many clubs use it regardless.

The formation works when you have 3 great attacking players who play in the 3 behind the striker. But if you've got an average set of 3 there it just doesn't work and nullifies your attack leaving the striker sat their doing nothing. Even the worlds greatest striker will suffer in this set up.

Sure, it does seem to be the standard one used by a lot of teams now. Feels to me like most teams are scared to play 4-4-2 in case they get branded as being too old-school and unimaginative. Clubs should just play whatever formation suits them.

Also only just seen the new Football League show. What an utter shambles that is. The theme music is just :fp:

DML wrote:Also only just seen the new Football League show. What an utter shambles that is. The theme music is just

They've somehow made it worse than the old one, which is actually quite impressive. I wasn't sure it was possible but they sure proved me wrong.

Bring back Manish and the BBC.

PaperMacheMario wrote:Sure, it does seem to be the standard one used by a lot of teams now. Feels to me like most teams are scared to play 4-4-2 in case they get branded as being too old-school and unimaginative. Clubs should just play whatever formation suits them.

Indeed. I went to the cobblers yesterday and we play 4231 regardless of what team we put out and the opposition. We spent they whole match booting the ball up to the striker, Richards, bypassing the 3 behind the striker. Just pointless.

What I miss is a winger bursting down the wing and putting a ball into the box. Good times.

Drumstick wrote:Bring back ~~Manish~~Leroy and the BBC.

Tubbs!

Excellent result for us. 2 last minute goals to win us points in 7 days now, that's probably the same amount we've managed in the last 2 years. We've gone to two of the hardest places in the league and won both, delighted right now. :mrgreen:

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Shocked and delighted with our result today. It's early days but Ipswich are a good team relative to our division and gave very few points away when playing at home last season.

Yeah it is weird how, quite often in the Championship, a team that gets to the play offs and toys with promotion one year, can suffer the next. Yourselves and Wigan were in the 13/14 play offs, and then had relegation battles the next season.

Likewise, usually a team comes from nowhere and makes them, like Brentford. It's why I am so cautious about this season - even though we were technically the best team not get promoted last season (all three teams above us did, and we were play off losers), it counts for nothing this season, especially in a league as changeable and unpredictable as the Championship.

Great win at Hillsbrough yesterday though, against a side that did a convincing double over us last year, and where we historically struggle for wins.

It's a shame about the Bristol City result, as a win there would have made it an excellent start, whereas now it is just "pretty good", though 2 points better than at the end of last August. The Derby equaliser was pretty much the last minute, so we had it in our capability to be even better.

I want Clement gone. I was not happy with his appointment in the first place and he's done even worse than I expected.

Anyone who watched the game yesterday will have seen what we are capable of during the first 20 minutes or so of the second half. The fact we are not doing that on a consistent basis has to come down to the manager's ability. Four points after five games is simply unacceptable considering the players at our disposal, even without Hughes available.

The Exeter fans have gone mad over beating us tonight in the JPT, despite us fielding mostly an Academy side.

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