Football Thread 16/17- Cheick Tiote R.I.P.

[bear]

Today was a good day.

[BOR]

Hope Real Madrid to win the La Liga title.

[Parksey]

Apparently, up until mid-March under Karanka we conceded 30 goals. Since he was sacked and Agnew took over, we've conceded 23. It would be interesting to know our final goals-per-game ratio under the two managers to.

Those who kept screaming for Karanka to be sacked always said he was making us play with shackles on. That clearly wasn't the case as since they've come off, we've arguably got worse.

Karanka should have went sooner and an outside appointment brought in, or he should have been given the full season.

I would be much more confident now with Karanka at the helm, going into another season in the championship. As it is, our appointment in the summer is crucial. It can't be Agnew.


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[Photek]

Liverpool will be seeded for CL play off.

[Parksey]

Clear a shelf in the trophy cabinet for that plaque.


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[PES Fan]

There's a lot of premier league clubs that need some investment. Stoke have been awful for majority of it yet they managed to stay in the league with ease.

Southampton keep selling their best players. They sold defenders and midfielders in the past. But Mane and Pella were huge losses in the final third.

Swansea could lose Sigurdsson and Llorente. Watford looked hopeless and another club I am not sure how they survived with ease. The owners look for the new manager bounce and that might not work next season.

[Hypes]

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David Moyes there admitting, however minor, to match fixing

[Parksey]

There's a lot of premier league clubs that need some investment. Stoke have been awful for majority of it yet they managed to stay in the league with ease.

Southampton keep selling their best players. They sold defenders and midfielders in the past. But Mane and Pella were huge losses in the final third.

Swansea could lose Sigurdsson and Llorente. Watford looked hopeless and another club I am not sure how they survived with ease. The owners look for the new manager bounce and that might not work next season.

Don't you think this applies to a lot of teams from about 8th downwards? They are generally content to take all the riches but don't ever threaten to push on or win something. They are quite often saved from relegation by the championship teams being either worse or not having as much financial firepower (both, in Boro's case, as we were crap but also we've had seven years without PL money).

That clout means that they can survive each season, but they are unable to break that ceiling and threaten to do something. It's also the fault of the big clubs being so big that, by and large, the top five or six places are decided each year.

It's a competitive league in terms of anyone being able to beat anyone but Leicester apart, it's never been competitive in terms of a team breaking through.

More teams need to show ambition in the cups. The big teams still claw their way through when, really, with the financial power all PL clubs have, ones like Stoke should be lifting a trophy.

But yeah, a lot of Premier League teams can be awful but still stay up. Not helped, really, by us and Sunderland being adrift from the rest, though at least we sort of had an excuse. Sunderland have stank up the league for ages now but, symptomatic of the how the league can stagnate teams, they never took it as a reason to improve and use the money wisely.

I'd be worried if I was a Watford fan for next season though.

[Cuttooth]

Apparently, up until mid-March under Karanka we conceded 30 goals. Since he was sacked and Agnew took over, we've conceded 23. It would be interesting to know our final goals-per-game ratio under the two managers to.

Those who kept screaming for Karanka to be sacked always said he was making us play with shackles on. That clearly wasn't the case as since they've come off, we've arguably got worse.

I've CRUNCHED THE NUMBERS for you.

In 27 games under Karanka, Middlesbrough scored 22 goals (0.70 on average) and didn't score in 13 of those matches.

In 11 games under Agnew there were 8 goals (0.73 on average), not scoring in 5 matches.

You conceded 30 goals with Karanka in charge (1.1 on average) with 8 clean sheets.

Under Agnew it was 23 goals conceded (2.1 on average) with only 3 clean sheets.

So yeah your defence went to gooseberry fool and the goals didn't flow to keep up.

[PuppetBoy]

There's a lot of premier league clubs that need some investment. Stoke have been awful for majority of it yet they managed to stay in the league with ease.

Southampton keep selling their best players. They sold defenders and midfielders in the past. But Mane and Pella were huge losses in the final third.

Swansea could lose Sigurdsson and Llorente. Watford looked hopeless and another club I am not sure how they survived with ease. The owners look for the new manager bounce and that might not work next season.

There seems to have been a real divide between the best and the rest in the Premier League this year - no teams finished with between 50 and 60 points and everyone below Everton has a negative goal difference.

I haven't looked at whether this kind of split is a regular occurrence or not though.

[PES Fan]

There's a lot of premier league clubs that need some investment. Stoke have been awful for majority of it yet they managed to stay in the league with ease.

Southampton keep selling their best players. They sold defenders and midfielders in the past. But Mane and Pella were huge losses in the final third.

Swansea could lose Sigurdsson and Llorente. Watford looked hopeless and another club I am not sure how they survived with ease. The owners look for the new manager bounce and that might not work next season.

There seems to have been a real divide between the best and the rest in the Premier League this year - no teams finished with between 50 and 60 points and everyone below Everton has a negative goal difference.

I haven't looked at whether this kind of split is a regular occurrence or not though.

The gap between the top 6 and rest should get bigger.

I expect the teams coming up should be a lot more competitive than the teams going down. Newcastle definitely should be. Brighton should be a improvement on Hull. Hull came in the premier league with like 13 players, which is ridiculous preparation. But they along with Huddersfield/Reading will find out like most promoted teams do that scoring goals in the premier league is tougher.

[Denster]

Congrats to the pool fans. Liverpool have held their nerve well in the last couple of games.
I really hope we join you now on Wednesday.

[Skippy]

Anyway, it's a poor season for Arsenal and Mr Wenger. I think Arsenal's only chance is to win the FA Cup, but I can't see and Chelsea are too strong in my opinion.

And just the small matter of us not having Koscielny or Gabriel available. We're going to get absolutely smashed and I almost don't want to watch it

[Blue Eyes]

So John Terry orchestrated his own fair well and in-game guard of honour by coming up with the idea of being subbed off on 26 minutes. What a strawberry floating hateful wanker this man is. What an arrogant, self-regarding turd. I'm so glad he's gone.

[shadow202]

Congrats to the pool fans. Liverpool have held their nerve well in the last couple of games.
I really hope we join you now on Wednesday.

The first 44 minutes of the games was shocking but after the goal like most of our games we settle down and killed it off. Shame we are as calm when we are drawing 0-0

[DML]

So John Terry orchestrated his own fair well and in-game guard of honour by coming up with the idea of being subbed off on 26 minutes. What a strawberry floating hateful wanker this man is. What an arrogant, self-regarding turd. I'm so glad he's gone.

Having now seen it, I really don't get the fuss. It was a fitting way for a player who has spent two decades as a one club man at the highest level to sign off. I really don't get the fuss, the players clearly wanted to do it for him. For some players we have whole seperate strawberry floating testimonials!

[Blue Eyes]

So John Terry orchestrated his own fair well and in-game guard of honour by coming up with the idea of being subbed off on 26 minutes. What a strawberry floating hateful wanker this man is. What an arrogant, self-regarding turd. I'm so glad he's gone.

Having now seen it, I really don't get the fuss. It was a fitting way for a player who has spent two decades as a one club man at the highest level to sign off. I really don't get the fuss, the players clearly wanted to do it for him. For some players we have whole seperate strawberry floating testimonials!

Besides all the reasons I gave there is also the issue of spot fixing which you're not allowed to do. The fact this it was his own idea just speaks to his lack of class and his childishness. He's also a racist strawberry floating thug. Don't defend him.

[DML]

So John Terry orchestrated his own fair well and in-game guard of honour by coming up with the idea of being subbed off on 26 minutes. What a strawberry floating hateful wanker this man is. What an arrogant, self-regarding turd. I'm so glad he's gone.

Having now seen it, I really don't get the fuss. It was a fitting way for a player who has spent two decades as a one club man at the highest level to sign off. I really don't get the fuss, the players clearly wanted to do it for him. For some players we have whole seperate strawberry floating testimonials!

Besides all the reasons I gave there is also the issue of spot fixing which you're not allowed to do. The fact this it was his own idea just speaks to his lack of class and his childishness. He's also a racist strawberry floating thug. Don't defend him.

I don't defend his thuggish tendancies, but this I really honestly don't mind.

[Mafro]

His ego knows no bounds.

[Cuttooth]

There's a lot of premier league clubs that need some investment. Stoke have been awful for majority of it yet they managed to stay in the league with ease.

Southampton keep selling their best players. They sold defenders and midfielders in the past. But Mane and Pella were huge losses in the final third.

Swansea could lose Sigurdsson and Llorente. Watford looked hopeless and another club I am not sure how they survived with ease. The owners look for the new manager bounce and that might not work next season.

There seems to have been a real divide between the best and the rest in the Premier League this year - no teams finished with between 50 and 60 points and everyone below Everton has a negative goal difference.

I haven't looked at whether this kind of split is a regular occurrence or not though.

This got me thinking. Looking at the past ten seasons as a whole the gap between 7th and 8th is enormous this season; only 2012/13 comes close to a similar gap. It might be fair to say this season ended up being quite similar to that one in terms of how many points got teams which positions, with the requirements to finish 8th to 10th being significantly lower than normal. Just look at the below scientific data:

You can go one step further and see the what percentage of league points a team collected, then average that out across the ten seasons to see where positions have been poor this season.