Re: Football Thread 17/18
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:39 pm
Yeah, he could come to Liverpool and lace Andy Robertson's boots
Saint of Killers wrote:I saw the Mourinho interview live and it possibly being unprofessional didn't cross my mind. I do find it odd that he interrupted Klopp's interview though
Mafro wrote:Saint of Killers wrote:I saw the Mourinho interview live and it possibly being unprofessional didn't cross my mind. I do find it odd that he interrupted Klopp's interview though
Casual racism is hilarious.
How does interrupting your own manager and the Liverpool manager after the game show you're in tune with your club?Saint of Killers wrote:I saw the Mourinho interview live and it possibly being unprofessional didn't cross my mind. I do find it odd that he interrupted Klopp's interview though A little over exuberance in a youngster is acceptable, could also be said that it happening after such a important game against a local rival shows he's in tune with the club.
The Balotelli comparison is laughable.
Apologies if I missed the humour in your post.
Photek wrote:PES Fan wrote:Buffalo wrote:I reckon he should be patient. Jose’s toast in about a year, 18 months tops. He’s good enough for Utd when he can be arsed.
Slightly related - every time I’ve seen him in action whether in video or photos he always looks so...dishevelled. Genuinely looks a bit unwell.
The issue is his attitude and Jose isn’t the first manager to call him out on it. He doesn’t seem to look after himself off the pitch. On the pitch he doesn’t do a lot either. Mourinho made a valid point that him and Valencia were not attacking the space on Saturday. Matic at times was screaming at Shaw to move. 3 assists in his whole career, I don’t think he’s a great attacking full back.
I would prefer if we cut our losses. Sessegnon seems to have a better head on him. He also is miles better than Shaw in the attacking third. Ashley Young isn’t a better defender than Shaw. The reason he starts is because he offers more on the left side than Shaw does.
This whole situation being labelled at bullying is ridiculous though. If that’s what Shaws camp are calling it then they need to work in the real world.
It is bullying though, Pochettino also had a word with Shaw but did it one on one in his office not in front of the national Media, to say there is no difference in both approaches is disingenuous.
shadow202 wrote:How does interrupting your own manager and the Liverpool manager after the game show you're in tune with your club?Saint of Killers wrote:I saw the Mourinho interview live and it possibly being unprofessional didn't cross my mind. I do find it odd that he interrupted Klopp's interview though A little over exuberance in a youngster is acceptable, could also be said that it happening after such a important game against a local rival shows he's in tune with the club.
The Balotelli comparison is laughable.
Apologies if I missed the humour in your post.
Also gooseberry fool like that would never been allowed under Fergie he would have been given a bollocking and rightfully so.
Preezy wrote:Mafro wrote:Saint of Killers wrote:I saw the Mourinho interview live and it possibly being unprofessional didn't cross my mind. I do find it odd that he interrupted Klopp's interview though
Casual racism is hilarious.
I certainly hope you weren’t taking my post as casual racism, Maf. Pogba’s personality reminds me of Balotelli’s in that he’s a guy who believes his own hype and doesn’t seem to take his profession very seriously. Everything seems to be a show to him and an opportunity to get some limelight, like interrupting an interview - what’s to be gained other than to piss off your manager and become the focus of things. Just reeks of attention seeking. The fact his skin colour happens to be the same as Balotelli’s is irrelevant (to me, anyway).
And SoK - the youthful exuberance excuse doesn’t wash with me, he’s not some kid fresh out of the academy at his first derby. United really miss quality leaders, there’s no-one like a Keane, Vidic or Giggs to set the tone and standard in the squad, they all just seem like a bunch of prima donnas.
PES Fan wrote:Photek wrote:PES Fan wrote:Buffalo wrote:I reckon he should be patient. Jose’s toast in about a year, 18 months tops. He’s good enough for Utd when he can be arsed.
Slightly related - every time I’ve seen him in action whether in video or photos he always looks so...dishevelled. Genuinely looks a bit unwell.
The issue is his attitude and Jose isn’t the first manager to call him out on it. He doesn’t seem to look after himself off the pitch. On the pitch he doesn’t do a lot either. Mourinho made a valid point that him and Valencia were not attacking the space on Saturday. Matic at times was screaming at Shaw to move. 3 assists in his whole career, I don’t think he’s a great attacking full back.
I would prefer if we cut our losses. Sessegnon seems to have a better head on him. He also is miles better than Shaw in the attacking third. Ashley Young isn’t a better defender than Shaw. The reason he starts is because he offers more on the left side than Shaw does.
This whole situation being labelled at bullying is ridiculous though. If that’s what Shaws camp are calling it then they need to work in the real world.
It is bullying though, Pochettino also had a word with Shaw but did it one on one in his office not in front of the national Media, to say there is no difference in both approaches is disingenuous.
Who cares if it isn’t one to one? He called out Valencia and said other players were scared.
Also if the teacher yells at a pupil in front of the whole classroom does that mean bullying to you? People want to use the word bully for anything these days. Poor old Luke earning 120k a week and not really done well at his job for the last 3 years.
Three managers have called him out on his fitness issues. It’s not like Jose is the only one.
By your logic Fergie used to bully Giggs and Rooney. As he used to bollock them even when they were playing well in front of everybody.
PES Fan wrote:I do feel some of the criticism that Pogba gets from our fans is over the top. A few months ago these people were probably saying he was our best outfield player and we need to sign more players like him.
Now he has a bad dip of form and it’s like he posts on Instagram too much. Sell him to Real Madrid or PSG.
He was just shaking the hand of his manager. I thought it was a good touch myself because there’s been a lot written about him and Jose arguing.
Players like Pogba and Martial the club needs to keep. It would be a step backwards if we let these sort of players leave.
As for Shaw he just needs to go to a club where they’d give him regular football. There’s no point going to Chelsea or Spurs if he’s going to sit on the bench and gain pounds in the process.
Go to a team where he’s guaranteed to play every week. Even a club like Burnley would be great for him. He’s still young enough to get another big move if he performs well. He needs to follow the example of Zaha who’d probably end up getting his big move in the summer again.
Mafro wrote:Saint of Killers wrote:I saw the Mourinho interview live and it possibly being unprofessional didn't cross my mind. I do find it odd that he interrupted Klopp's interview though
Casual racism is hilarious.
PaperMacheMario wrote:Mafro wrote:Saint of Killers wrote:I saw the Mourinho interview live and it possibly being unprofessional didn't cross my mind. I do find it odd that he interrupted Klopp's interview though
Casual racism is hilarious.
I’m so confused by this response.
PaperMacheMario wrote:Mafro wrote:Saint of Killers wrote:I saw the Mourinho interview live and it possibly being unprofessional didn't cross my mind. I do find it odd that he interrupted Klopp's interview though
Casual racism is hilarious.
I’m so confused by this response.
SandyCoin wrote:PaperMacheMario wrote:Mafro wrote:Saint of Killers wrote:I saw the Mourinho interview live and it possibly being unprofessional didn't cross my mind. I do find it odd that he interrupted Klopp's interview though
Casual racism is hilarious.
I’m so confused by this response.
I'm pretty certain it's a misquote, and he meant to quote Preezy when he compared Pogba with another black player.
Saint of Killers wrote:I'm glad you quoted that as I wanted to add something to my previous comments but didn't want to be the one to restart the conversation People saying it's disrespectful to Mourinho and Klopp, and it would never have happened under Fergie are ignoring that every one of those managers has acted the complete arse on a number of occasions. Intentionally. Pogba may have been disrespectful but at least with his actions comes a modicum of doubt and as I said before, youthfulness. The managers on the other hand really should have known better. So yeah, managers who want players to behave in the proper manner should maybe set a better example themselves.
Photek wrote:Saint of Killers wrote:I'm glad you quoted that as I wanted to add something to my previous comments but didn't want to be the one to restart the conversation People saying it's disrespectful to Mourinho and Klopp, and it would never have happened under Fergie are ignoring that every one of those managers has acted the complete arse on a number of occasions. Intentionally. Pogba may have been disrespectful but at least with his actions comes a modicum of doubt and as I said before, youthfulness. The managers on the other hand really should have known better. So yeah, managers who want players to behave in the proper manner should maybe set a better example themselves.
What a nonsense argument, these 'what about'ism points are rampant these days, it's rather depressing.