French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism

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by Karl » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:16 pm

"I call upon these countries and say: Yes, freedom of expression is there, but you should make laws regarding people insulting our Prophet. And if you don't, then the future will be extremely dangerous."

Wow.

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:22 pm

Karlprof wrote:"I call upon these countries and say: Yes, freedom of expression is there, but you should make laws regarding people insulting our Prophet. And if you don't, then the future will be extremely dangerous."

Wow.


I've been quoting that particular nugget to several people today :lol:. Truly unbelievable.

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Cuttooth » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:31 pm

I've never understood this notion that's going around that Muslims should take any systematic specific mocking of their religion on the chin, just because 'the rest of them' apparently can and do.

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Qikz » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:33 pm

Cuttooth wrote:I've never understood this notion that's going around that Muslims should take any systematic specific mocking of their religion on the chin, just because 'the rest of them' apparently can and do.


I think the issue is the hypocrisy of it all. The Islamic faith is actually non violent, but to meet with this "mockery" they turn to violence and rioting.

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Meep » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:34 pm

I am sceptical of China's average IQ being higher than everywhere else. Doing any kind of large survey like that in China is going to favour the concentrated population centres and getting results from all over rural China would be difficult because of the scale, so I suspect there would be an urban bias at work pushing the average higher.

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Grumpy David » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:57 pm

Cuttooth wrote:I've never understood this notion that's going around that Muslims should take any systematic specific mocking of their religion on the chin, just because 'the rest of them' apparently can and do.


There's nothing systemic about it, mockery of Islam occurs so rarely that it usually makes it become a big deal to Muslims who aren't used to it.

Religions are ideas and like any bad idea they are open to criticism, mockery, ridicule etc. Religion doesn't deserve special status just because religious people get bumpain and caremad. Most religious people have learnt this, most Muslims appear to have not. I'm quite fond of the solution of normalising mockery of religion, have it occur so frequently that Muslims just accept freedom of speech trumps religious rules on being insulted through sheer exhaustion.

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Atreyu » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:43 am

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Alvin Flummux wrote:That first picture could mean anything without something to tell us what the colored 0-75 scale means.


Sorry, % of people who identify as non-religious.

What's the source for these data-maps, please?

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Fatal Exception » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:48 am

StayDead wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:I've never understood this notion that's going around that Muslims should take any systematic specific mocking of their religion on the chin, just because 'the rest of them' apparently can and do.


I think the issue is the hypocrisy of it all. The Islamic faith is actually non violent, but to meet with this "mockery" they turn to violence and rioting.


Wat. It's actually an extremely violent religion. The only ones who aren't violent are the ones who don't fully follow it. The same can be said of Christianity and Judaism.

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Karl » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:25 am

Cuttooth wrote:I've never understood this notion that's going around that Muslims should take any systematic specific mocking of their religion on the chin, just because 'the rest of them' apparently can and do.


I feel that even in the kindest interpretation this post is a little misguided. No-one sensible is really asking that Muslims, or any other adherent to any faith or idealogy, take mockery, "systematic" (really?) or otherwise, "on the chin". No-one is asking for them to show a sense of good humour; no-one is asking even for humility, or open-mindedness. In a free society they can of course be as outraged, as entitled, and as ignorant as they like.

What is asked of them is that they don't storm embassies, destroy property, and slaughter other human beings over this sense of outrage. The great offended of our time have every right to wave their arms around in their vast insatiable anger; but their right to swing their fist, as OW Holmes famously said, "ends at my nose".

There is nothing inherently wrong with them burning the United States flag, there is nothing inherently wrong with their mass protest, there is nothing inherently wrong with their leaders denouncing our leaders. I do not agree with them, but they may do these things in a free society: they are free to express these views. What is wrong and what should be condemned in any civilised nation is the wanton, mindless killing and destruction that has come with it. That is not them expressing a viewpoint, or protesting at perceived maltreatment: that is them forcing their religious views on the rest of the peoples of the Earth and that is frankly not nice.

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Meep » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:44 am

Fatal Exception wrote:
StayDead wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:I've never understood this notion that's going around that Muslims should take any systematic specific mocking of their religion on the chin, just because 'the rest of them' apparently can and do.


I think the issue is the hypocrisy of it all. The Islamic faith is actually non violent, but to meet with this "mockery" they turn to violence and rioting.


Wat. It's actually an extremely violent religion. The only ones who aren't violent are the ones who don't fully follow it. The same can be said of Christianity and Judaism.

I'm convinced that Christians who claim the Bible preaches peace and love must have read less of the damn thing than I have. Either that or I've been reading an entirely different book from them.

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Pontius Pilate » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:33 am

StayDead wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:I've never understood this notion that's going around that Muslims should take any systematic specific mocking of their religion on the chin, just because 'the rest of them' apparently can and do.


I think the issue is the hypocrisy of it all. The Islamic faith is actually non violent, but to meet with this "mockery" they turn to violence and rioting.


:lol:

I've noticed a lot of people saying this over the years. I'm pretty sure people only say this because they have met nice and friendly muslims (as have I). I point to was FE said above. The non violent muslims are half assing it and might as well not follow it at all. It'd be like a worshiping Jew who eats pig.

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Archaeon » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:39 am

Karlprof wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:I've never understood this notion that's going around that Muslims should take any systematic specific mocking of their religion on the chin, just because 'the rest of them' apparently can and do.


I feel that even in the kindest interpretation this post is a little misguided. No-one sensible is really asking that Muslims, or any other adherent to any faith or idealogy, take mockery, "systematic" (really?) or otherwise, "on the chin". No-one is asking for them to show a sense of good humour; no-one is asking even for humility, or open-mindedness. In a free society they can of course be as outraged, as entitled, and as ignorant as they like.

What is asked of them is that they don't storm embassies, destroy property, and slaughter other human beings over this sense of outrage. The great offended of our time have every right to wave their arms around in their vast insatiable anger; but their right to swing their fist, as OW Holmes famously said, "ends at my nose".

There is nothing inherently wrong with them burning the United States flag, there is nothing inherently wrong with their mass protest, there is nothing inherently wrong with their leaders denouncing our leaders. I do not agree with them, but they may do these things in a free society: they are free to express these views. What is wrong and what should be condemned in any civilised nation is the wanton, mindless killing and destruction that has come with it. That is not them expressing a viewpoint, or protesting at perceived maltreatment: that is them forcing their religious views on the rest of the peoples of the Earth and that is frankly not nice.


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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Vermin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:47 am

Meep wrote:I am sceptical of China's average IQ being higher than everywhere else. Doing any kind of large survey like that in China is going to favour the concentrated population centres and getting results from all over rural China would be difficult because of the scale, so I suspect there would be an urban bias at work pushing the average higher.


There's also a fairly reputable theory that IQ is linked to the Wealth (PCGDP) of nations. China comes out well in this form too. I don't know, maybe it's all nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations


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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Lucien » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:03 pm

NickSCFC wrote:World average IQ map, for correlation purposes

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So basically, religious people are a bit dim.


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The above is average IQ in countries, btw.

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by $ilva $hadow » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:06 pm

Pontius Pilate wrote:
StayDead wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:I've never understood this notion that's going around that Muslims should take any systematic specific mocking of their religion on the chin, just because 'the rest of them' apparently can and do.


I think the issue is the hypocrisy of it all. The Islamic faith is actually non violent, but to meet with this "mockery" they turn to violence and rioting.


:lol:

I've noticed a lot of people saying this over the years. I'm pretty sure people only say this because they have met nice and friendly muslims (as have I). I point to was FE said above. The non violent muslims are half assing it and might as well not follow it at all. It'd be like a worshiping Jew who eats pig.




The friendly and nice muslims will at best instantly stop talking to you at the slightest joke about islam and say they're offended and at worst will attack you once they decide you've attacked their religion.

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by melatonin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:08 pm

Lucien wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:World average IQ map, for correlation purposes

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So basically, religious people are a bit dim.


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The above is average IQ in countries, btw.


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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Lucien » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:10 pm

I agree with you melatonin. I should point that out. I posted my graph only to show how it differs from Nick's.

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by Vermin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:13 pm

melatonin wrote:
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Suffering from a bit of graph aphasia there? :lol:

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by Lucien » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:19 pm

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PostRe: French Publication doesn't give in to Terrorism
by melatonin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:20 pm

This graph offends me.

Won't murder anyone because of it though, lol!

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