From Freedom to Fascism

LewisD in a Pear Tree wrote:This thread is tl;dr... could someone sum it up in no more than 15 words and a picture drawn in MSPaint if needed.

kthx.

LewisD in a Pear Tree wrote:This thread is tl;dr... could someone sum it up in no more than 15 words and a picture drawn in MSPaint if needed.

Lucien wrote:

Merry Christmas, Noobs! wrote:

LewisD in a Pear Tree wrote:This thread is tl;dr... could someone sum it up in no more than 15 words and a picture drawn in MSPaint if needed.

kthx.

People are bad, America is bad, people owe money, we're all ******.

Most people are good, America is mainly good, but strangely they do owe money. The best film to describe this is Zeitgeist. Ignore the whole tax issue, because it's only a smaller part of a larger entity.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

$ilva $anta wrote:So fraud has occurred. A small organisation has reaped billions of profits since 1913.


I'll tell you what, when the congestion charge is gone, you should keep paying it. It's only fair. And you shouldn't question it either even if they lock you up in a cell for not paying.

It's not as simple as just ratifying the bill again. No state will touch it or even think about ratifying it.

What's the use in the law if it's not set in stone? America was founded on the principles of freedom. A free state that didn't require tax on labour, taxes elsewhere made up for it, but a tax on labour was not supposed to be, they've found it to be unconstitutional, yet men and women who don't pay it are locked up by the IRS.










Edit: In response to Extralife. If there's no law for it, why should it be so? It's illegal. That's the end of it. Try passing it again. There was no labour tax before 1913. They couldtry passing it again, but the government has defrauded its people. You can spin it any way you want. The correct procedures were not followed in a free state and it was not brought to the attention of the 'free people'. Whatever else you say may be true about paying higher taxes elsewhere but that's not what it's about. A government that can do that to its people is not right.

TheTurnipKing wrote:As to the money... returning it is clearly not an option, and assuming it was used in the common good of the American people, it seems to me that it should just be written off by the public. Those arrested though, should clearly be set free. These people have been irreparably wronged by their country and as such should be compensated.

TheTurnipKing wrote:

$ilva $anta wrote:So fraud has occurred. A small organisation has reaped billions of profits since 1913.


I'll tell you what, when the congestion charge is gone, you should keep paying it. It's only fair. And you shouldn't question it either even if they lock you up in a cell for not paying.

It's not as simple as just ratifying the bill again. No state will touch it or even think about ratifying it.

What's the use in the law if it's not set in stone? America was founded on the principles of freedom. A free state that didn't require tax on labour, taxes elsewhere made up for it, but a tax on labour was not supposed to be, they've found it to be unconstitutional, yet men and women who don't pay it are locked up by the IRS.










Edit: In response to Extralife. If there's no law for it, why should it be so? It's illegal. That's the end of it. Try passing it again. There was no labour tax before 1913. They couldtry passing it again, but the government has defrauded its people. You can spin it any way you want. The correct procedures were not followed in a free state and it was not brought to the attention of the 'free people'. Whatever else you say may be true about paying higher taxes elsewhere but that's not what it's about. A government that can do that to its people is not right.

Well then, it seems to me that there are two points of failure. The current administration has inherited a system that is broken, and it is up to them to fix it. But then you also have to ask why it has taken so many years of the public to notice this is wrong - assuming that it's not verified someplace else in the byzantine documentation systems of law. So the current administration should seek to close this gap by re-passing the law, or finding alternatives if it is not passed. If that means raising other taxes to compensate, so be it. That is the will of the people, and short-sighted or otherwise, that is what the government are there to represent.

As to the money... returning it is clearly not an option, and assuming it was used in the common good of the American people, it seems to me that it should just be written off by the public. Those arrested though, should clearly be set free. These people have been irreparably wronged by their country and as such should be compensated.

$ilva $anta wrote:Backdating the law wouldn't be an issue. Even our government does it. But over here, Parliament is not allowed to be questioned as they have the power to do that.