Game of Thrones (TV) - US Pace - NO BOOK DISCUSSION (that means NO BOOK DISCUSSION)

Hexx wrote:

Moggy wrote:One thing I don’t understand, Jon and his band of merry men are heading out past the wall to capture a walking dead. Why do they need to go past the wall to do this? We have seen that people dying at Castle Black come back and I assume that is the case anywhere near the wall. It’s winter now, they are living in violent and turbulent times, there must be some people dying near the wall that they could just keep hold of until they reanimate?

Maybe that’s what will happen next episode, they will spend 90% of the episode fighting White Walkers until they capture a dead guy and then get back to Eastwatch only to find there are a few walking dead already wandering around. “By the Lord of the Light” shouts Thoros “We could have just stayed here the whole time!”

I've seen the episode now

It's not

Parksey wrote:As I said, it's always smug too, in a sense of "l know something you don't", as if watching a hour of TV before someone is a badge of honour. I mean, the leaks are out there and pretty accurate by all accounts, if you just want to be one of the first to know "stuff".

Ad7 wrote:strawberry floating banana splits. Basically have to go on a 90% internet blackout now because tossers have to look at their Christmas presents early.

Agreed. You can even speculate on what might happen in a future episode now because some impatient banana split that has watched a leaked episode will just say "LOL NOPE!!!!!".

Wasn't leaked, it was legitimately broadcast by HBO

I could quite easily rabble on about "smug banana splits going "I'll wait and [probably illegally download] and watch at different time" like that's some badge of honor as well

You have to accept that people watch things in different ways and in different styles. There's no "best" way, and the hypocritical self righteous indignation is getting old (to be fair, it's not a new think. It happened with "when do we use spoiler tags until?" as well

I made a joking response to your very jokey theory...and presumably you don't even know what it says

(And I haven't even seen the episode. I've been watching Iron Fist to catch up for Defenders this week. I admit that's a poor life choice)

Hexx wrote:You have to accept that people watch things in different ways and in different styles. There's no "best" way, and the hypocritical self righteous indignation is getting old (to be fair, it's not a new think. It happened with "when do we use spoiler tags until?" as well

It’s not really very difficult.

Once this show has been broadcast in the US (it is simulcast in the UK) then the thread is open. No need for spoilers or anything else.

HBO in Spain accidentally broadcasting an episode or hackers releasing an episode doesn’t change that. It clearly says in the title of the thread “US Pace”.

Of course people watch things at different paces, that’s why there is a simple rule of don’t strawberry floating talk about it until it has been broadcast in the US/UK.

There’s no hypocrisy there, just common decency for those that are not expecting talk of a new episode before it has been properly broadcast.

To be fair, the title does say "US Pace". Theoretically someone might not know episode 6 has been leaked and so might click on spoilers thinking they are up-to-date.

I don't think it's righteous indignation to not want an episode spoilt for you before it even airs.

Especially when a lot of the memes and things on Facebook are smug little asides to friends, which could easily be done through more private means.

Moggy wrote:

Hexx wrote:You have to accept that people watch things in different ways and in different styles. There's no "best" way, and the hypocritical self righteous indignation is getting old (to be fair, it's not a new think. It happened with "when do we use spoiler tags until?" as well

It’s not really very difficult.

Once this show has been broadcast in the US (it is simulcast in the UK) then the thread is open. No need for spoilers or anything else.

HBO in Spain accidentally broadcasting an episode or hackers releasing an episode doesn’t change that. It clearly says in the title of the thread “US Pace”.

Of course people watch things at different paces, that’s why there is a simple rule of don’t strawberry floating talk about it until it has been broadcast in the US/UK.

There’s no hypocrisy there, just common decency for those that are not expecting talk of a new episode before it has been properly broadcast.

Yep and that's still a stupid incosiderate way. Yep it might be "simulcast" at 2am in the morning, but most won't watch it then. You'd think "common" deceny" would dictate spoilers until people could have reasonable watched it that day (i.e. afternoon/evening) - but you get people breathless posting openly (not even in the episode 6/spoiler tag method I did above).

You then get responses of "just stay away until you've watched it" if you point to them that others might have watched it. Yet these are mostly the people now going "I don't even want spoilered tagged discussions!!!!!" Hypocritical and aggrivating

(I'm talking about lots of places here, not GR focused)

Anyway back to actual talk. As I've said I've not watched episode 6. I normally watch leaks/screeners that get out, as I'm a terrible person with no will power so I'll end up seeing spoilers. Watching it sooner (and keeping my mouth shut) let's me keep see it as intended...but I think I might have lost interest in GoT a bit.

It's all...too much. It's clearly running out of time/moving towards conclusion.
every scene feels important/moves the plot along to where it needs to be.

It's fallen into make the "spectacular" pedestrian by repetition/normalisation. What was an "event" (e.g. Bastard Battle) is becoming the norm.

There's few bits of breathing room/slower quieter moments that aren't all in service of the main plot - I miss the GoT as was with lots of smaller intimate character moments that just let the series breath and feel "real". There's been little of that this year (Other than Ed Sheeran's scene )

It's all constant payoff/big moment and that's getting...less impactful

There's not the excited "what thing is going to happen this week" feeling - instead it's "what 25 things are going to happen this week, after the 20 last week".

Hexx wrote:Yep and that's still a stupid incosiderate way. Yep it might be "simulcast" at 2am in the morning, but most won't watch it then. You'd think "common" deceny" would dictate spoilers until people could have reasonable watched it that day (i.e. afternoon/evening) - but you get people breathless posting openly (not even in the episode 6/spoiler tag method I did above).

How are you not seeing this?

It is shown at 2am UK time. After that, everybody knows that the spoilers are out there and that there is an episode to catch up on before risking reading the thread. It’s simple and everybody knows it.

When an episode is leaked or accidentally aired early somewhere in the world, then it is not simple, nobody has any idea who has and hasn’t seen it. There is no “cut off” time where you know when it is safe or unsafe to read the thread.

Moggy wrote:How are you not seeing this?

It is shown at 2am UK time. After that, everybody knows that the spoilers are out there and that there is an episode to catch up on before risking reading the thread. It’s simple and everybody knows it..

I see it perfectly thanks, I think it's rather selfish and self centered. "Other people should change to operate and accommodate those that watch it at ungoldly hour in the morning"

It would take seconds of typing to keep everything in (episode labelled) spoiler tags, and would mean everyone could come into the thread safely to talk about anything, current or previous episodes etc

I mean let's be clear. What you objected to earlier was effectively this

Episode 6 spoiler

Stuff happens to people in places!!!

But you're absolutely fine with (when you know most people won't have seen it)

Stuff happens to people in places!!!

Which is fine if that's how the majority want to operate - that's fair enough. Really can't argue with that.

I just find the indignant judgement towards people showing more consideration for people who haven't seen episodes (although not the prick teasing KK mentions) hilarious.

There is a vast difference between not spoiler boxing episode talk for an episode that has been broadcast in the US/UK and talking about an episode that has not yet been broadcast in the US/UK.

Sure we could spoiler box absolutely everything, "This is a spoiler from season 1 episode 5", "This is a spoiler from season 4, episode 2" etc but that's pretty strawberry floating pointless. It is obvious that if you are not up to date on a show, then a thread is going to contain spoilers from that show. And it's easy to know when it is safe for you to enter and read a thread: Step One: Has the latest episode been broadcast? Step Two: Have I seen it?

A leaked episode changes all of the above because nobody has any idea who has watched what and when.

Moggy wrote:There is a vast difference between not spoiler boxing episode talk for an episode that has been broadcast in the US/UK even though most haven't watched it and spoiler boxing/labelling an episode that has not yet been broadcast in the US/UK.

I'd agree entirely. The later actually make you consider other people watch the show but let's everyone use the thread risk free, whereas the former makes them consider how you watch the show and kept out of the thread unless they operate in a certain way.

I find one of those rarther selfish.

And it's easy to know when it is safe for you to enter and read a thread: Step One: Has the latest episode been broadcast? Step Two: Have I seen it?

Again. Your viewpoint is rather narrow - everyone has to operate around early watchers who want to talk openly rather than take a few seconds to be considerate so everyone can use the thread.

A leaked episode changes all of the above because nobody has any idea who has watched what and when.

Not really if every spoiler box is labelled until a decent time after it aired (e.g. Wednesday)

Everyone can to the following Step 1: Have I seen this episode being talked about/Do I want to read about it?

Hey look it's better! 2 Steps vs 1 Step!

And everyone can talk about stuff safely in the thread at any time even if they've not seen the latest episode, but were involved in another chat/discussion. It doesn't lock people out of the thread until they can find time to watch the episode just to serve a small core!

It's like...doubly better! Well done you on helping demonstrate

You are never going to convince me Moggy that the more selfish (or in a less loaded term exclusionary option is better). You can explain it in the exact same way 4 more times. I understand it perfectly, the reasons and the rationale. I just don't and won't agree.

You started this with getting arsey about labelled spoilers you chose to click or not click on. I just find that rather funny given normal operation.

Mafro wrote:

(Joking aside. That sort of duo is what I miss from the show. Gone are the days of that sort of slow story telling/and character bits it seems. Hound/Ayra road trip over X episodes was GoT as it's peak.

Bronn/Jamie had a bit of this a few weeks ago, both about Castle's and Dickon and it was one of my favorite bits )

I've found a better solution.

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Bliss.

Well I might believe that.

But either way it's strawberry floating hilarious that his solution is clearly label content inside a thread he can still participate in and then chose to click to look at or not...rather than, say, avoiding the thread altogether.

Moggy

SHUT THE strawberry float UP ABOUT THE LEAK

Floex wrote:SHUT THE strawberry float UP ABOUT THE LEAK

I tried twice to bring it back to issues with the style/format of the season

Hexx wrote:

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(Joking aside. That sort of duo is what I miss from the show. Gone are the days of that sort of slow story telling/and character bits it seems. Hound/Ayra road trip over X episodes was GoT as it's peak.

Bronn/Jamie had a bit of this a few weeks ago, both about Castle's and Dickon and it was one of my favorite bits )

It's all a product of them having to finish everything in a set amount of time and with no previous template set by the books. Before everything was mapped out and they could cherry pick stuff that worked and stuff that didn't, as well as merge or omit characters. They were adapting source material.

Now they're writing it all themselves and I don't think anyone can argue against the fact that the writing isn't as good this season as it has been, and that certain characters are a bit adrift at the moment and certain locations feel a bit weak.

This could be a byproduct of having reached endgame, but I also think the writers need to shoulder some of the blame too. We'll see how GRRM deals with it, if he ever does. Even he's struggled.

But I think one marked difference this season is how the characters are now serving the plot rather than shaping it. The plot feels less like it is being heaped by characters' decisions and actions, but more that it's whisking characters along with it in order to fulfill certain needs. There's no longer the time for a few characters to have scenes together clashing heads or just interacting and discussing gooseberry fool. As one of those characters needs to be at Point X to do Y, and the other's going to be used to bring about Z.

The result has been quite a few stupid actions or decisions, the so-called plot armour debates and some people acting out of character, purely to get things where they need to go.

As I said, some of this has been forgivable, and Martin himself is seemingly struggling to get the plot where it needs to go. But at sometime you have to acknowledge that it can lead to iffy moments.

Like Bronn during the dragon attack. You can argue all you want about his expertise as a solider or how his experience as a swimmer meant he could easily carry Jamie in full armour in a matter of minutes. But these scenes feel written rather than the realistic and natural consequences of a character. This is why people complain about plot armour or fast travel. As they know that obviously certain characters don't meet their ends at certain times for deliberate reasons, but they've been masked better in the past. The bit with Bronn was like something out of an action movie (for some reason it reminds me of Charlie Sheen in Hot Shots). It was clear to see the writers behind the scenes pulling strings to have him do cool stuff and survive.

It's the same with the fast travel. Viewers know we can't have every journey or distance shown. We know that there's a time limit. But when characters are instantly transported thousands of miles, it reminds you that they are characters serving a plot. Again, you can see the writers pulling strings again.

Plot armour and fast travel have always happened. The former in particular has become a bit of a buzz word, but every time a character is in a hairy situation and doesn't die, it's because they have "plot armour". Just this season it hasn't been as deft handled and has been a bit more obvious.

There are a few other things I'd mention as well, but I watched the leaked episode and don't want to inadvertently spoil anything.

Still a really enjoyable season, just that some concessions have been made to finish it all, and these are noticeable at times, perhaps more so when the writers had the luxury of more source material and no end point.

Lovely thoughts Parksey - mirrors (and better expresses) what I was trying to say.

This season is 7 episodes and the next (last) 6 right?

Hexx wrote:Lovely thoughts Parksey - mirrors (and better expresses) what I was trying to say.

This season is 7 episodes and the next (last) 6 right?

Yes six but the finale is supposed to be feature length, however feature length could just mean an extra ten mins as the last episode of this season is 81 mins.

Damn, hardly an episodes left

What's with these rumours of the final season possibly not airing till 2019?