'GamerGate' rumbles on...

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by **PCCD** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:39 am

[iup=3596612]Tafdolphin[/iup] wrote:But real threats have been made, (almost) entirely against women who have spoken up against people using gamergate to threaten. How are you reconciling that with your image of these people? I'm not saying they're all bad eggs but the ones who are now define the movement.

No true Scotsman basically. If anything happens to one of their targets then they just claim "no true gamergater", stick their fingers in their ears and starting making the lala sound.

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by **Tafdolphin** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:46 am

So when faced with an inconvenient truth while campaigning for integrity and transparency they become shady and opaque.

Where's Alanis when you need her?

Canada. Probably Canada.

and presumably this would be when you suggest that moving to another hashtag would somehow magically fix all the problems of the world again, yeah?

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by **PCCD** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:15 am

[iup=3596621]TheTurnipKing[/iup] wrote:and presumably this would be when you suggest that moving to another hashtag would somehow magically fix all the problems of the world again, yeah?

No, I don't. I think stepping away and condemning GG outright is a good start, but if the "moderate" element just recreates GG wholesale under a different hashtag then they'll have the same problems. You'll still have dubious elements doing horrible things in the name of the movement, you'll still have far right morons spreading their crap, you'll still have a complete inability to set out a set of goals and how you'd go about achieving them. Moderate GGers are completely unable to see any fault in their movement and how it's structured, it's all somebody else's fault to them. They've no leadership, no structure, no objectives, no legitimate methods, no ideas that aren't insultingly naive and condescending, a cult like approach to dissent, a breathtaking arrogance and an inability to see anything but conspiracies everywhere. Yet I was reading people saying some of that works in GG's favour :lol:

The hashtag has to go, but that's just one problem amongst many.

EDIT: Side note on that Day blog -

twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft/status/525094762500456448

Does seem odd that he went for the throat and there was no response, but Day makes pretty inoffensive blog and gets doxxed within the hour. Not about women, not at all.

Strange how they only decided to dox her on her own comments section too, thinking about it.

I guessthe intent could be merely to demonstrate the power. Still, it seems like that would leave a nice big trail for the police to follow.

[iup=3596623]PCCD[/iup] wrote:

twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft/status/525094762500456448

Does seem odd that he went for the throat and there was no response.

To be honest, it was hard to take him seriously. To hear it filtered through the media, Gamergate was supposed to have the lock on angry white men.

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by **PCCD** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:07 am

[iup=3596626]TheTurnipKing[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3596623]PCCD[/iup] wrote:

twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft/status/525094762500456448

Does seem odd that he went for the throat and there was no response.

To be honest, it was hard to take him seriously. To hear it filtered through the media, Gamergate was supposed to have the lock on angry white men.

But he's not the only prominent man who has come out against GG and not been doxxed in response. I've seen. Granted Kluwe's screed was probably the most angry, but unless I've missed something it only seems to be outspoken women who GG are targeting for the worst of their abuse. Is that not troubling to you?

He's created a no lose scenario for himself, if he gets doxxed, threatened, whatever it's "look how horrible and aggressive they all are". If he doesn't it's "look they've ignored me, a white male"

Either way he's now made it clear his article was baiting for a response

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by **Tafdolphin** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:39 am

Because everyone loves having their personal details distributed to a bunch of ethic-less man-children. I agree the tone of his article was misjudged but he almost certainly didn't write it expressly to bait these wankers into doxxing him.

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by **rudderless** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:37 am

[iup=3596621]TheTurnipKing[/iup] wrote:and presumably this would be when you suggest that moving to another hashtag would somehow magically fix all the problems of the world again, yeah?

Abusers will always be there, but GamerGate is enabling them. By not removing themselves from the equation, every GGer is saying "you know what? I'm fine with this. As long as the group stays together."

I have no sympathy for GG 'moderates' any more. Actively standing shoulder to shoulder with utter douchebags and wondering why people think less of them for it.

Yeah, yeah, #NotYourShield, whatever. But if you're not a shield, perhaps that makes you a weapon.

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by Fm » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:57 am

[iup=3596610]TheTurnipKing[/iup] wrote:You see this as they fault of #gamergate. I see this as the fault of a media which has decided to alienate half it's audience and portray them all as ravening trolls who aren't happy unless they're crunching on the bones of women.

Musta missed this.

Also, kinda undermines your point that it's about ethics and not wimmins.

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by Fm » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:30 am

[iup=3596630]Irene Demova[/iup] wrote:He's created a no lose scenario for himself, if he gets doxxed, threatened, whatever it's "look how horrible and aggressive they all are". If he doesn't it's "look they've ignored me, a white male"

Well both those things are bad, aren't they? He didn't create the scenario, Gamergate/whoever doxxed Day did that. Whatever happens after that, it's still a dick move.

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by **Cal** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:55 pm

GAWKER: 'DISHONEST FASCISTS' OF GAMERGATE COULD COST US 'MILLIONS'

Adobe, Mercedes and BMW are among the brands understood to have reconsidered relationships with Gawker in response to consumer activism that has cost the publisher thousands of dollars already, according to editor-in-chief Max Read.

Gawker has responded to mass withdrawals by advertisers, which follow a letter-writing campaign by video games enthusiasts and readers fed up of the hectoring, mocking, bullying tone of its journalists, with defiance. Rather than apologising for the tone of its coverage and the language of its writers, Gawker branded the video games community, which is incensed by Gawker's biased coverage of the GamerGate controversy, "dishonest fascists."

Earnest, polite letters to advertisers and sponsors by GamerGate supporters, which have been flowing freely since Gawker threw its hat in the ring with hateful games journalists intent on wrongly portraying GamerGate as a misogynistic campaign operating under the cover of a press ethics mission, are working. Dozens of advertisers have reconsidered their sponsorship of sites such as Gawker, viewing the contempt with which they hold their own readers as toxic. Max Read's incendiary response to the situation will have done nothing to allay these advertisers' fears. Read yesterday repeated a number of disobliging characterisations of gamers, inaccurate claims about GamerGate and even insulted Intel, an advertiser that withdrew from games site Gamasutra for similar reasons, writing: "Intel is run by craven idiots. It employs pusillanimous morons. It lacks integrity."

Full story:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Lond ... s-millions

I'm kinda of enjoying this, now. :lol:

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by Fm » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:07 pm

Gawker called Gamergate dishonest fascists, not the "video games community".

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by **Trelliz** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:15 pm

[iup=3596882]Cal[/iup] wrote:
hateful games journalists intent on wrongly portraying GamerGate as a misogynistic campaign operating under the cover of a press ethics mission

If that was a clickhole/P4R article i'd be finding that kind of funny, but that's exactly what GG is. Others have said it better and at much more length in this thread, but to me it seems to be a wave of vile hatred and critical bumpain on a massive scale from people who feel that women who cross the venn-diagram into "interested in games" are having sex with people who aren't them, and they have weaponised their forever-aloneness into a stupid campaign under the guise of some sort of moral position.

The points previously mentioned are perfectly valid - anything not somehow involving a woman is completely ignored - the Mordor thing didn't seem to get any attention, or at least not enough to get noticed anywhere compared to the sending of death threats.

Pro tip - it is possible to disagree with someone WITHOUT threatening to kill them. It's this reductivist, binary approach to all these things that is the most saddening, "you are either with us or against us" that I suppose we should have come to expect from the games industry/community.

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by **chalkitdown** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:38 pm

[iup=3596898]Trelliz[/iup] wrote:A wave of vile hatred and critical bumpain on a massive scale from people who feel that women who cross the venn-diagram into "interested in games" are having sex with people who aren't them, and they have weaponised their forever-aloneness.

This is magical.

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by **Trelliz** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:42 pm

[iup=3596978]chalkitdown[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3596898]Trelliz[/iup] wrote:A wave of vile hatred and critical bumpain on a massive scale from people who feel that women who cross the venn-diagram into "interested in games" are having sex with people who aren't them, and they have weaponised their forever-aloneness.

This is magical.

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by **Meep** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:02 pm

Interestingly, Jim Sterling, who brought up the terrible stipulations in the Shadows of Mordor engagement and called for such practices to stop, is actually blacklisted by GamerGate. In fact, Sterling is known for his overly long rants about the state of the industry. It's almost like GamerGate are against him because he happens to be left leaning bisexual. But no, that couldn't possible be right because we all know that gators only care about truth and justice and truth and... justice-type stuff.

I think when GG say "gamer" and "gaming" they are subscribing to a very particular view of gaming culture and the industry as it exists at this moment. Anything that threatens that seen as the enemy. Many of the people who they have sided against are committed to slaughtering sacred cows, particularly the narrowly focused demographic of the big AAA too-big-to-fail massively budgeted monstrosities that push graphics to obsessive levels at the expense of all else. Needless to say, there are lot of the "hardcore" who like things the way they are now because everything is laser targeted at them. Unfortunately, this situation is the very thing holding the industry back.

PostRe: 'GamerGate' rumbles on... by **mic** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:22 pm

Isn't anyone else concerned about grcade getting onto that #gg blacklist? :dread:

[iup=3597149]Meep[/iup] wrote:Interestingly, Jim Sterling, who brought up the terrible stipulations in the Shadows of Mordor engagement and called for such practices to stop, is actually blacklisted by GamerGate. In fact, Sterling is known for his overly long rants about the state of the industry. It's almost like GamerGate are against him because he happens to be left leaning bisexual. But no, that couldn't possible be right because we all know that gators only care about truth and justice and truth and... justice-type stuff.

Personally, I actually like Jim. One of his videos actually did a lot to sell me on the gay kerfuffle about Tomodachi life, which I had previously been slightly annoyed about for no good reason. Let me see if I can get it for ya.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/ ... chi-Strife
From about 6:47. That spoke to me.

It's also worth noting that Jim writes for The Escapist, which was one of the media outlets which held open discussion about Zoe Quinn, and that it is, surprise surprise, part funded by it's audience rather than purely its advertising.

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