Gay footballers,is it ok to speculate?

Fed up talking videogames? Why?

Just a bit of harmless online banter?

Yes it's just a giggle
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by Psychic » Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:21 pm

Rapidly-Greying wrote:Anyway,I'm gonna start the speculation by mentioning a certain open goal missing man city player. When he runs it just screams gay.

This post is offensive on so many levels.

He's got one of the best shot conversion rates in the league ffs.

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by bear » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:16 pm

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bear wrote:The arseholes would quickly get drowned by the majority of fans or chucked out by stewards. I was at the Liverpool-Man City match in January and Raheem Sterling was verbally abused constantly when he got on the ball but I never heard it cross a line into unacceptable behaviour. Plenty of booing and chants about being a greedy bastard but nothing I wouldn't dare repeat when talking to someone else about the match.


We still have racial abuse being shouted from the stands. As Drummy says, Brighton fans still have anti-gay chants aimed their way. Chelsea might have done some good work, but the sounds of gas chambers are still heard, Spurs still chant “Yid Army”.

Things are better than they were, but I have zero doubt that homophobic chanting would be very loud for quite some time if a player was to come out.

I just don't subscribe to the idea that football fans are a particularly nasty subsection of society, especially in the Premier League era where policing of fans and stadium facilities have improved so much and the profile of people attending has changed massively. It's something that annoys me on here when you see people post regularly in the football thread, talk about playing loads of FIFA, PES or Football Manager and then say "football fans, ewwww". I guess it's just the lack of self awareness.


Back to the actual subject, clubs are doing good work in making football a more inclusive sport and it will only be a matter of time before a current professional goes public about their homosexuality. Speculating aimlessly on if someone is gay is kinda gross though.

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by Preezy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:25 pm

bear wrote:I just don't subscribe to the idea that football fans are a particularly nasty subsection of society

I dunno. You get massive crowds at rugby and cricket matches and there's no reports of fans tearing seats up and damaging stadium property, no reports of racist/homophobic/anti-semitic chants or songs, no reports of straight-up violence between sets of fans and no images of hooligans throwing bottles at police horses etc. It's a uniquely football-related problem.

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by Moggy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:26 pm

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bear wrote:The arseholes would quickly get drowned by the majority of fans or chucked out by stewards. I was at the Liverpool-Man City match in January and Raheem Sterling was verbally abused constantly when he got on the ball but I never heard it cross a line into unacceptable behaviour. Plenty of booing and chants about being a greedy bastard but nothing I wouldn't dare repeat when talking to someone else about the match.


We still have racial abuse being shouted from the stands. As Drummy says, Brighton fans still have anti-gay chants aimed their way. Chelsea might have done some good work, but the sounds of gas chambers are still heard, Spurs still chant “Yid Army”.

Things are better than they were, but I have zero doubt that homophobic chanting would be very loud for quite some time if a player was to come out.

I just don't subscribe to the idea that football fans are a particularly nasty subsection of society, especially in the Premier League era where policing of fans and stadium facilities have improved so much and the profile of people attending has changed massively. It's something that annoys me on here when you see people post regularly in the football thread, talk about playing loads of FIFA, PES or Football Manager and then say "football fans, ewwww". I guess it's just the lack of self awareness.


We’ll have to disagree there. I am obviously not talking about the majority of fans, but a large proportion of them are utter scumbags.

Maybe it’s different in the prawn sandwich league, but in the Championship and lower down there are still plenty of scummy racist and homophobic fans. They might have quietened down with the racist abuse at the matches, but it still flares up on a regular basis.

I’m a football fan and I am self aware enough to know that football attracts a lot of banana splits.

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by Drumstick » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:28 pm

bear wrote:I just don't subscribe to the idea that football fans are a particularly nasty subsection of society, especially in the Premier League era where policing of fans and stadium facilities have improved so much and the profile of people attending has changed massively. It's something that annoys me on here when you see people post regularly in the football thread, talk about playing loads of FIFA, PES or Football Manager and then say "football fans, ewwww". I guess it's just the lack of self awareness.

I particularly disagree with the bolded part, because from where I sit, it's the same level of skullduggery from the same knuckledragging cretins who believe they can act as discourteously as they please because they are at a football match, like that is somehow an excuse for such behaviour.

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by Preezy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:38 pm

This topic always makes me think of the really-very-good articles on Football365 that cover stuff like mob mentality, hooliganism and the ugly side of the game:

Hello and welcome to your final English hooligan induction class. Before we put you on a train to France with your complimentary bottle of Jagermeister and 20 cans of white cider, please try and conform to our strict rules at all times:

1. Make sure you’re wearing your past-the knee shorts or ¾ length pants, preferably with a polo shirt. This is our holiday uniform.

2. Take off your shirt at the first opportunity. You must feel comfortable around lots of other half-naked men. Being naked is a very important element of your role.

3. Older men should have shaven heads and a roll of neck fat.

4. Once you’re half naked, next you must do the England dance. This involves bouncing up and down on your toes, with your arms out wide. Keeping your arms out wide at all times is crucial if you’re going to create the right impression.

5. Protect your pint or bottle at all times.

6. Chair throwing etiquette: The chair is your main choice of weapon, so you really must locate and be close to a good source of chairs at all times. Tables are optional.

7. Adopt right wing political stances and sing about them, even if you have no forethought about what the words mean. This is no place for socialist, liberal or progressive politics, this is the place for getting right up the bracket of Johnny Foreigner. ‘Ooo won the bloody war anyway, eh?’

8. And why not chuck in a couple about the crusades? Too soon?

9. Don’t forget to make outlandish patriotic declarations on Twitter about how you and the boys are going to give various terrorists a beating on the streets of wherever you are, even if it means taking a murder rap. Because that’s what a football tournament is all about.

10. Your Russian counterparts will turn up, as well organised as an army, dressed in English club shirts, wearing gum shields and with truncheons. It’s a typical foreign trick to be so well organised and to take no notice of your right wing songs.

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OK, enough with the clunky satire. As someone who grew up going to football in the 1970s, I’m here to tell you it was, at times, horribly frightening. And, as a nascent hippy kid, the whole thing mystified me. Quite why being able to break someone’s face with a newspaper folded into an improvised brick (a popular tactic back then) was anyone’s lifestyle choice was incomprehensible. But here we are again. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Why are some people like this? Why do they want to do this?

I asked this question on social media and got lots of interesting suggestions ranging fromit being related to the disenfranchisement of the working class, the basic inability to cope with strong drink, the fact that all concerned are just downright massive thundering c**ts, a misplaced sense of superiority, the right wing press stoking jingoism, the feminisation of society making some men feel disempowered, hatred of foreigners supported by popular press and populist politicians.

Others suggested that these men are, at core, depressed and are trying to make themselves feel alive and valuable, in order to counterbalance their overwhelming sense of cultural and physical impotence and irrelevance. Someone suggested it was all Danny Dyer’s fault, in that the glorifying and glamourising of football-based violence confirms and promulgates the hooligan’s sense of righteousness.

So, in short, no-one really knows. It isn’t easily reduced and people are doing it for a variety of reasons.

Those of us who want to go through life as gently as possible to the point that we worry noise from our headphones leaks out when on a train really do look on at this behaviour as so alien. The very thought of walking through any street, anywhere in the world with my shirt off, fills me with dread and I’m not sure I can keep my arms held out wide for longer than a minute.

The contempt almost all of us have for them is obvious, but also curiously and utterly irrelevant to them. It is as though being a hooligan of any nationality is like being some sort of weird pervert. They seek out their own, despite the opprobrium of the rest of us. They seek out like minds who will not challenge their belief that being stripped to the waist, throwing a chair and punching people in the head on foreign soil is actually really bloody great.

Good policing and organisation seems able to suppress or snuff out this behaviour for a while (although UEFA and the French police have plenty of questions to answer), but it doesn’t seem to take much to return. It is a wound that can’t be permanently cauterised and the rest of us will continue to look on in horror.

It’s all very strange. Not so much a case of come and have a go if you think you’re hard enough, as come and have a go if you’re odd enough.

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Banter is one of the most frequently used words in football’s lexicon. Banter between players, fans, pundits and presenters, banter on social media.

The word is used for a wide range of behaviour from taking the mickey out of someone’s brightly coloured tie, skitting someone’s haircut, telling a player they were slow, or calling them a ‘feminazi c***s***g bitch’, or a ‘lazy f***king n*****’ on Twitter.

Banter was the Richard Keys and Andy Gray defence. Outside of football last week it was the John Humphrey’s defence. It was the Mark Sampson defence too, and hey, a coach talking to someone of African descent in a fake Caribbean accent, that’s gotta just be banter, right?

I dare say it’ll be the Peter Beardsley defence, and possibly the Graeme Rix and Gwyn Williams defence too. That Sol Campbell song, the Arsene Wenger song, Hillsborough songs, songs about murderers, the Munich song, the hissing noises, 10 German bombers, no surrender…I’d rather be a… Banter. Banter. Banter. Whoo hoo! Bantz have gone wild.

Top FA man Martin Glenn, ever the hapless bull in the PC china shop, looking around himself dazed and slack-jawed, out of touch, but sadly not out of work, also used it this week. This from the Guardian.

“I think culturally what women will be prepared to put up with has been a bit different from guys.” Asked to explain what he meant, Glenn added: “I guess banter would be a case in point. Now our grievance and whistle-blowing procedures are common across men’s and women’s teams. Our coaching guidelines are common across men’s and women’s teams. But I think it’s fair to say from what we’ve seen is there are probably some differences in what they would expect to hear or say.”

Because black male footballers of African descent don’t mind being spoken to in a Jamaican accent by a Welshman, do they? They love ebola jokes about their family too. Ha ha. It’s just banter, mate, and it even lives in the default assumptions at the top of the FA. He speaks about women as though he doesn’t know any. He talks as though women are not individual people but a collective who all think the same, and as though men are likewise. We’re like this. You’re like that. And why does anyone have to ‘put up’ with anything in their workplace? Is it because the bantersaurus must have primacy? Glenn would seem to think so

Yes it’s all about the banter. Ha ha. Banter. It’s just laugh, innit? Where’s your sense of humour, you libtard? You can’t say anything these days with all these SJWs and snowflakes. It’s political correctness gone mad. I never meant no harm.

Ah yes, the banter defence. The last refuge to excuse abusive behaviour, deployed to try and diffuse, obfuscate and if the subject doesn’t like it, paint them as the guilty party, not the abuser. It’s the player’s fault for reacting badly to being called “a lazy f****** n***** “. You better toughen up you f****** c***!

Tyrone Mings spoke powerfully last week of the streams of vile racist abuse and death threats he’s had on social media and what can be done to stop it. And he’s far from alone. Almost every footballer’s timeline is full of nasty, vicious abuse of one form or another.

And it is the banter culture that is the seed bed into which these poisonous weeds are planted, then watered and fed by the one-eyed monster that is tribalism. Mings was targeted by Manchester United fans because of an elbow to Zlatan Ibrahimovic. Blind tribalism meant he must pay for this crime, it would seem.

And every club has its tribal nutters. I always remember my pal, who worked for the Daily Record, telling me of the times he’d take calls from Old Firm fans complaining that they’d written 743 words about the other Old Firm team and only 692 about theirs, thus proving how biased the paper was. And they were serious. It seems likely that those are the sort of people taking to Twitter to abuse footballers.

So how do we stop this river of poison that footballers have to swim in 24/7? Easy. We have to culturally outlaw the banter mindset.

Okay, not so easy.

The first thing to say is no-one wants to make being witty and funny at the football or on Twitter or anywhere else frowned upon. Indeed, when done well, it is all part of the entertainment. My pal, Alan Tyers recalls being at Hibs when a fan shouted “Congratulations, Renwick, you have reached the dizzying heights o’ pish!” Which is some sort of poetry when delivered in a Leith accent.

Banter isn’t this. But what is it exactly? Well at its dark heart, it’s abusive behaviour, isn’t it?

It is fed by things such as humiliating practical jokes and nasty personal insults. Now, some people find these things very funny and have no issue with finding a dog poo in their shoe, or being told your mother is a whore. But woe betide you if you don’t. We all experienced this at school. Some kids laughed it all off while others – the majority I would suggest, hated it and though they may have tried to put a brave face on, absolutely loathed the humiliation and upset it caused. I vividly remember one lad bursting into tears because banter merchants stole his clothes after games and threw them on the gym roof. He hated being the centre of attention and was crippled with embarrassment – which is why the bullies did it, of course. They knew it would hurt him. And I never
forgot how they laughed later in the day. It wasn’t called banter back then, but yeah, that’s banter.

Banter is part of football’s culture of arrested development. Clearly, the perpetrators of the sort of abuse Mings suffered, hasn’t grown from nowhere. They feel entitled to do it, free to do it, justified in doing it, even.

But there is hope.

Our collective experience of outlawing racism in grounds tells us such seemingly high hurdles are not impossible to overcome.

Online life is not removed or separate from ‘real life’. One informs the other. So if banter becomes something that it isn’t tolerated offline, online should eventually follow, though the supposed anonymity it offers slows progress down.

And I do think that change is happening in some sections of society, just as it did on racism. Remember, bananas on the pitch was also once thought by many to be banter. We are seeing increasing intolerance of oppressive, sexually inappropriate behaviour (classic source material for a bantersaurus) and people prepared to call it out when they witness or experience it. Legislation to outlaw revenge porn (bantz ahoy) has been passed here in Scotland. It may take time but the winds of change are blowing.

Perhaps that only fills some with more anger and causes them to take to Twitter with even greater ferocity. Maybe the tidal wave of abuse footballers now routinely suffer from is actually part of the extended dying pains of Banter, as it paints itself further into its miserable, isolated and unsustainable corner, laughing a little too loudly as it does so, until it finally disappears up its own backside.

John Nicholson


If you’ve not seen any footage of some England fans in Amsterdam and want to feel despair and disgust in equal measure, watch this… (twitter vids of the Amsterdam "fans")

If you just can’t face it on a Monday morning, you already know what it’s like. You’ve seen it before. England fans pour beer over a passing boat in Amsterdam, all lined up on a bridge with England flags, before somebody tosses a bike into the canal. And oh, they are all so pleased with themselves, arms aloft, laughing at the misfortune of others, too selfish to feel any empathy for the distress and discomfort they are causing, instead wallowing in that distress. They feel great. They are Eng-ger-lund.

But it’s not right to call them England fans, they’re just English and they merely use the football as an excuse to gather somewhere abroad and behave terribly. There is no defence of this at all. None. They stain our national identity. And maybe that’s why they do it. When you’re nothing, being something, even if that something is offensive and vile to decent people, is an achievement.

Other countries have hooligans who cause trouble, such as some of the Italian Ultras, but usually they do so only in their own country, which is bad enough, obviously. But when Italian fans come to London on Tuesday, I’d wager we won’t see a crowd of them pouring beer off Westminster bridge onto passing boats, nor doing that ‘come on then’ gesture with their arms. The whole ‘going abroad and causing trouble’ thing is a very English tradition going back about 1000 years. We have to bring it to an end.

I say English because it isn’t even a British thing any more. The Scots and Irish football fans are welcomed, feted even, wherever they go on foreign soil (if not within the UK – I say this as a man who was recently trapped on a train with Rangers supporters who thought singing and swearing at high volume was an appropriate way to behave on public transport, again, regardless of anyone else) But abroad, it’s the English that are loathed and when you see how some behave, it is not surprising.

I saw people on Twitter relishing the day these people come up against their violent Russian counterparts in Moscow and take a hellish beating. I understand that sentiment, but two wrongs don’t make a right and it is worth bearing in mind that there would be plenty of collateral damage in such a situation, which would affect, hurt and upset innocent people.

Of course, this is absolutely nothing to do with football per se, it is a problem in wider society which finds an expression in a football context. And let us not be shy of saying it is a very, very male problem. Look at those videos and see how many women are involved. Men do this. Very few women do. It is a specifically male culture.

We see it every weekend, in every town. A certain type of bloke behaving horribly, getting shit-faced drunk, fighting, vomiting and making havoc.

Go to any A & E on a Saturday night and they’re often overwhelmed with the consequences of this bad behaviour. These are the same people we saw in Amsterdam. Full of macho bravado, self congratulatory arrogance and driven on by an unquestioning herd mentality.

The question is why? Why are they like that? None of us are angels, but many of us don’t even want to disturb someone on the train with noise leaking from our headphones; we lower our voice when on the phone because we don’t want to intrude on other people’s peaceful journey. The very idea of being in a baying mob is utterly anathema.

So how did we end up like this and others ended up throwing a bike with a child’s seat attached into a canal? The distance between the value systems that these two behaviour patterns exhibit is a cultural and moral gulf.

It’s easy to just assign such behaviour to being drunk, but I really don’t think that is an explanation. Many of us get drunk a lot, but don’t go around in a big group of other men menacing people and being destructive. Many of us have zero desire to stand on foreign soil behind a massive flag asserting that “we are Eng-ger-lund”. Those who do, I feel, have other issues going on.

You have a choice not to behave like that. There’s absolutely nothing inevitable about it. So where does it all come from? I believe its roots are in a specific sort of aggressive, insensitive, masculine culture that is ever-present in and around football and life in general.

It is the alpha male, negative, ‘banter’ way of life which gets off on humiliating people and finds pain funny. It wears insensitivity as a badge of honour. It doesn’t care who it offends, feeling that if you’re offended, then you’re some sort of liberal hand-wringing bedwetter, who bloody well needs offending. It is also connected to the culture of right-wing politics, which sees any denial of the primacy of some largely fictional national identity, created from a largely fictional notion of nationhood, as an affront to their civil liberties.

Some academic analysis also ties this behaviour to becoming emotionally numb via regular use of violent pornography. When you drench your synapses with this heinous stuff, you stop feeling anything, so throwing a bike into a canal is simply nothing to you. You don’t think of the consequences for the parent and child, what impact it might have in their life and how upsetting it would be. No. You just do it on impulse, for effect, to be loved in the moment by your fellow idiots. Perhaps in doing so, filling up your usually empty loving cup.

And when we strip it back further, maybe this is exactly why they do it. This is why they go to Spain in the summer and get into fights in Magaluf. It’s all a way to make themselves feel something, a way to break the emotional numbness, a way to try and give their meaningless existence some point.

When unreconstructed men feel like they are the tiniest of cogs in a huge machine and what they say and do in their everyday lives has no import or meaning, when they feel that traditional masculinity is being supplanted by a newly confident and forward-looking feminism, they are left with no territory upon which to plant their flag. But if they gather together and go on tour with Eng-ger-lund, you can pretend the old narrow male patriarchal way of life still rules.

When we put our disgust and contempt for this behaviour to one side, we are still left with actual humans, and we need to understand not just why this is happening but what we can do to stop it.

Clearly, there isn’t just one big lever to pull to cure this, but I’m sure some of it is rooted in mental health, which in itself is a multi-layered issue. No-one who is content and in a good place wants to cause such distress to others if they can avoid it, let alone glory in it. So that needs addressing. The ongoing emotional and cultural brutalisation of men by other men must be considered unacceptable, so that we don’t create more blokes who are some sort of ticking time bomb of fury, just waiting to go off. Hand in hand with that is becoming more emotionally literate and sensitive. Being a hard man is not something to be proud of. This is all learned behaviour, the product of the same society that makes honest, nice and decent people too. Not being an absolute bastard really isn’t that difficult, is it? Change can happen.

Cauterising the mental wounds which provoke bad behaviour and lifestyle choices could, in time, re-route a destructive personality. I think it is happening, at least slowly, and what we saw in Amsterdam on Friday are the dying pains of an old way of life, an old way of thinking, and an old way of being.

But if all else fails, well, there’s always the Russians.

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by Benzin » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:55 pm

Drumstick wrote:
bear wrote:I just don't subscribe to the idea that football fans are a particularly nasty subsection of society, especially in the Premier League era where policing of fans and stadium facilities have improved so much and the profile of people attending has changed massively. It's something that annoys me on here when you see people post regularly in the football thread, talk about playing loads of FIFA, PES or Football Manager and then say "football fans, ewwww". I guess it's just the lack of self awareness.

I particularly disagree with the bolded part, because from where I sit, it's the same level of skullduggery from the same knuckledragging cretins who believe they can act as discourteously as they please because they are at a football match, like that is somehow an excuse for such behaviour.


Given some reports from post game on Saturday, this is certainly the truth... I doubt the tribalism will ever die...

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bear wrote:I just don't subscribe to the idea that football fans are a particularly nasty subsection of society

I dunno. You get massive crowds at rugby and cricket matches and there's no reports of fans tearing seats up and damaging stadium property, no reports of racist/homophobic/anti-semitic chants or songs, no reports of straight-up violence between sets of fans and no images of hooligans throwing bottles at police horses etc. It's a uniquely football-related problem.

I don't what is going on in the world of cricket but in the last few weeks in rugby there's been the fallout from the Ulster Rugby players rape trial, Israel Folaus lovely comments about gay people and the Scottish fans who abused Eddie Jones getting charged with general bawbaggery.

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by Rapidly-Greying » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:00 pm

PsychicSykes wrote:
Rapidly-Greying wrote:Anyway,I'm gonna start the speculation by mentioning a certain open goal missing man city player. When he runs it just screams gay.

This post is offensive on so many levels.

He's got one of the best shot conversion rates in the league ffs.


Have you seen some of the sitters he has missed,too much time thinking about willies.

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Drumstick wrote:I particularly disagree with the bolded part, because from where I sit, it's the same level of skullduggery from the same knuckledragging cretins who believe they can act as discourteously as they please because they are at a football match, like that is somehow an excuse for such behaviour.

Given some reports from post game on Saturday, this is certainly the truth... I doubt the tribalism will ever die...

That's a shame, I wasn't aware there had been any trouble. You're definitely right though, I'd be very surprised if these attitude and behaviours were eradicated within our lifetimes.

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Rapidly-Greying wrote:
PsychicSykes wrote:
Rapidly-Greying wrote:Anyway,I'm gonna start the speculation by mentioning a certain open goal missing man city player. When he runs it just screams gay.

This post is offensive on so many levels.

He's got one of the best shot conversion rates in the league ffs.


Have you seen some of the sitters he has missed,too much time thinking about willies.

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by Corazon de Leon » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:22 pm

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bear wrote:I just don't subscribe to the idea that football fans are a particularly nasty subsection of society, especially in the Premier League era where policing of fans and stadium facilities have improved so much and the profile of people attending has changed massively. It's something that annoys me on here when you see people post regularly in the football thread, talk about playing loads of FIFA, PES or Football Manager and then say "football fans, ewwww". I guess it's just the lack of self awareness.

I particularly disagree with the bolded part, because from where I sit, it's the same level of skullduggery from the same knuckledragging cretins who believe they can act as discourteously as they please because they are at a football match, like that is somehow an excuse for such behaviour.


Too many big words in there for me.

All joking aside, you see some especially horrendous abuse in the lower levels of the football pyramid. I don't agree with bear's post in that respect.

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bear wrote:
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bear wrote:I just don't subscribe to the idea that football fans are a particularly nasty subsection of society

I dunno. You get massive crowds at rugby and cricket matches and there's no reports of fans tearing seats up and damaging stadium property, no reports of racist/homophobic/anti-semitic chants or songs, no reports of straight-up violence between sets of fans and no images of hooligans throwing bottles at police horses etc. It's a uniquely football-related problem.

I don't what is going on in the world of cricket but in the last few weeks in rugby there's been the fallout from the Ulster Rugby players rape trial, Israel Folaus lovely comments about gay people and the Scottish fans who abused Eddie Jones getting charged with general bawbaggery.


We are talking about the crowds at football matches. Your examples are mostly players, except the Scottish fans. If we are talking about players as well as fans, then football still isn’t going to win this battle…

Do you really believe that football has less of a problem with fans when it comes to homophobia and racism than rugby?

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by Hypes » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:30 pm

Well there's just been an uproar amongst cricket fans because players have been tampering with balls...

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Hyperion wrote:Well there's just been an uproar amongst cricket fans because players have been tampering with balls...


Again that's players. If we compare football players to cricket players, then I still think football would lose. Badly.

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by Preezy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:35 pm

Mafro wrote:Afternoon all.

It was them over there, officer.

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PostRe: Gay footballers,is it ok to speculate?
by Hypes » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:52 pm

Moggy wrote:
Hyperion wrote:Well there's just been an uproar amongst cricket fans because players have been tampering with balls...


Again that's players. If we compare football players to cricket players, then I still think football would lose. Badly.


:|

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PostRe: Gay footballers,is it ok to speculate?
by Moggy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:54 pm

Hyperion wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Hyperion wrote:Well there's just been an uproar amongst cricket fans because players have been tampering with balls...


Again that's players. If we compare football players to cricket players, then I still think football would lose. Badly.


:|


I got the joke. Something about a sticky wicket?


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