Police Brutality (fka Derek Chauvin convicted of murder thread)

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
captain red dog wrote:I actually respect slightly more those few people on the right that actually acknowledge that what we all saw was utterly disgusting and inhumane.

Considering cold-blooded murder to be disgusting and inhumane is a pretty low bar for earning your respect!

It's at least common ground that can be worked on. It's better to see people on the right conceding this deserved jail, rather than outright denying it. But like I say, the majority seem to think it was justified. :dread:

There is no common ground to be found there.

California man dies after police pin him to ground for five minutes

Body-cam footage shows arrest of Mario Gonzalez last week
Family says Gonzalez was killed by police who used excess force

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... lice-video

Saint of Killers wrote:
California man dies after police pin him to ground for five minutes

Body-cam footage shows arrest of Mario Gonzalez last week
Family says Gonzalez was killed by police who used excess force

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... lice-video

I don't understand why they needed to arrest him. I'm not sure you'd get arrested for that over here. Can't say I have much experience of it, but I always thought in the first instance the police would just take you home.

Saint of Killers wrote:
California man dies after police pin him to ground for five minutes

Body-cam footage shows arrest of Mario Gonzalez last week
Family says Gonzalez was killed by police who used excess force

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... lice-video

I've renamed the thread as, unfortunately, I'm sure there will be more examples.

Prototype wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:
California man dies after police pin him to ground for five minutes

Body-cam footage shows arrest of Mario Gonzalez last week
Family says Gonzalez was killed by police who used excess force

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... lice-video

I've renamed the thread as, unfortunately, I'm sure there will be more examples.

There was another story the other day of arresting police watching and enjoying a video of themselves breaking (maybe dislocating) an elderly woman's arm. They then left her in a cell without any medical attention.

Saint of Killers wrote:
Prototype wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:
California man dies after police pin him to ground for five minutes

Body-cam footage shows arrest of Mario Gonzalez last week
Family says Gonzalez was killed by police who used excess force

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... lice-video

I've renamed the thread as, unfortunately, I'm sure there will be more examples.

There was another story the other day of arresting police watching and enjoying a video of themselves breaking (maybe dislocating) an elderly woman's arm. They then left her in a cell without any medical attention.

Saw that yeah. Stemmed from her "shoplifting". She has dementia.

Thoughts on this one? No charges have been filed. I'm not sure lethal force is necessary here. At all.

I think it was excessive, but the cops were always going to fire once he tried to speed away with someone hanging on the door. They could have been killed after all and I imagine cops react pretty instinctively if a colleague is put in danger - which is probably why no charges were filed. The comments section is about as depressing as one would expect though. Such glee :dread:

I'd definitely call that excessive, unloading what sounds like at least 10 shots in that chaotic fashion in an open petrol station forecourt where there are potentially members of the public who could get caught by a stray bullet is OTT for me. These beat cops aren't expert marksmen.

And that's before considering what the guy here has actually done to deserve that response - what was he being stopped for?

Jenuall wrote:I'd definitely call that excessive, unloading what sounds like at least 10 shots in that chaotic fashion in an open petrol station forecourt where there are potentially members of the public who could get caught by a stray bullet is OTT for me. These beat cops aren't expert marksmen.

And that's before considering what the guy here has actually done to deserve that response - what was he being stopped for?

Hmm, I'd disagree that it was chaotic. It looked like he fired directly into the windscreen with each shot. If one of them had had a tazor they probably could have just stunned him when he was still in the car when they first opened the door. Obviously all cops carry guns there, but what about tazors?

Not sure what the guy did though, but you see that he has dropped a bag when they are running through the cemetery, and one of the cops picks it up for evidence.

SandyCoin wrote:
Jenuall wrote:I'd definitely call that excessive, unloading what sounds like at least 10 shots in that chaotic fashion in an open petrol station forecourt where there are potentially members of the public who could get caught by a stray bullet is OTT for me. These beat cops aren't expert marksmen.

And that's before considering what the guy here has actually done to deserve that response - what was he being stopped for?

Hmm, I'd disagree that it was chaotic. It looked like he fired directly into the windscreen with each shot. If one of them had had a tazor they probably could have just stunned him when he was still in the car when they first opened the door. Obviously all cops carry guns there, but what about tazors?

Not sure what the guy did though, but you see that he has dropped a bag when they are running through the cemetery, and one of the cops picks it up for evidence.

Hmm, I still think it's excessive. Like I say, these guys aren't marksmen - all it would take is one of those shots to hit the frame of the car and the ricochet could have taken it anywhere.

The escalation of the situation is the bizarre thing for me. Although again, hard to properly assess without knowing the full situation of what the guy did and what has happened before what we see

Jenuall wrote:I'd definitely call that excessive, unloading what sounds like at least 10 shots in that chaotic fashion in an open petrol station forecourt where there are potentially members of the public who could get caught by a stray bullet is OTT for me. These beat cops aren't expert marksmen.

And that's before considering what the guy here has actually done to deserve that response - what was he being stopped for?

Agree with this assessment.v

And weirdly, I've seen videos of American cops shooting someone for fleeing a traffic stop. No evidence of any weapons, zero risk to the police officers in question. I guess their justification would be that they fleeing vehicle could be a danger to the public? :roll:

So have an APB put out and deploy squad cars in the driver's way with stingers. God, US cops are just the most amateurish wannabe-badasses.

When it comes to these Police videos, some may consider this to be NSFW, so can we please follow the usual approach of Linking to them with a warning, rather than embed. Thanking all.

Also, there is some backgorund to the above video in the Description.

** (Disclaimer: This video content is intended for educational and informational purposes only) **
Rock Island, Illinois — On March 31, 2021, local law enforcement received a social media video clip that depicted Deshawn Tatum waving a suspected firearm in Rock Island. Tatum is heard on the video making threats against law enforcement, and a white police SUV car is seen behind Tatum. At that same time, law enforcement were aware that Mr. Tatum had outstanding felony warrants, including a federal warrant for felon in possession of a firearm and a county warrant for criminal damage to property and fleeing & eluding.

On the following day, April 1, 2021, officers from the Rock Island Police Department were conducting surveillance hoping to apprehend Tatum on the outstanding warrants. Officers Lawler and Costas, both wearing body-worn cameras that were active, arrived at the Chippiannock Cemetery shortly after 6:15p.m on April 1st and observed Tatum standing with a group of people.

Lawler and Costas walked towards Tatum calling his name, and Tatum is seen running across the cemetery and dropping a black bag, which is picked up by Costas. Lawler and Costas both chase Tatum on foot across the cemetery, then west on 12th Street in Rock Island. Officers are heard yelling for Deshawn Tatum to “drop the gun” multiple times. A gun is later found lying on the ground in the path of the foot chase. An officer’s squad camera captures the moment Tatum runs by and throws the gun on the ground.

The foot pursuit to apprehend Tatum continued onto the next block until Tatum turned south towards the Chicken Shack gas station on 11th Street. A white Chrysler 300 is seen parked in front of the Chicken Shack and a female is opening the driver’s side door when surveillance captures Tatum push the female aside and get inside the driver’s seat. At that same time, Officer Scully, dressed in plain clothes and driving an unmarked car, drives into the gas station along with Officer Waddle in his squad.

Both officers exit their vehicles and run to the driver’s side with their weapons drawn and shout commands for Tatum to get out of the vehicle. Officer Lawler is seen approaching the vehicle from behind and walks to the passenger side with his gun drawn and yells for Tatum to get out. Both Waddle and Scully are seen trying to remove Tatum from the driver’s seat when the white car suddenly accelerates at a high rate of speed in reverse. Waddle and Scully are seen being dragged and appear under the driver’s side of the car when it ultimately collides into the gas station building with bricks landing on the trunk.

A gunshot is seen coming out of the passenger side window towards Officer Costas, who is standing outside of the vehicle, and Officer Scully and Lawler are seen firing at Tatum, who is still in the driver’s seat. Officers assist Waddle, who is picked up off the ground with blood coming down his face, and Scully reaches in the driver’s seat to retrieve a firearm— presumably Waddle’s duty weapon that he lost control of during the dragging and collision. Another officer arrives on scene and assists the officers in immediately giving CPR to Tatum, who has been brought to the ground next to the car. Officer Costas is assisting with CPR but can be seen stumbling and wiping blood off his face as well.

Within several minutes, a large crowd gathers at the scene and attempts to get in the officers’ way. Other officers arrive to assist with crowd control. Tatum is given CPR continuously for seven minutes until paramedics are able to get into the area and transport him to the hospital. Deshawn Tatum was transported to Unity Point/Trinity West and was pronounced deceased by Deputy Coroner Mark Moore shortly thereafter. All four officers involved were transported to Unity Point for medical evaluations and/or treatment and then placed on administrative leave.

I can't feel sorry for this guy at all.

Just read up on how the two cops assaulted and murdered Dalian Atkinson. I hope they suffer cruel and unusual deaths themselves.

Derek Chavin's legal team asking for a new trial: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56989757

I mean, of course they want a new trial - that's how these things work, but if they get any traction with reducing or even overturning his sentence then there will be hell to pay

When you do something as abhorrent as murder a civilian in your role as a police officer you prejudice your own fair trial. Show me an American who isn’t aware of the George Floyd murder.

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