Resisting The Consensus: A Climate Change Thread

Moggy wrote:The way you have worded that makes it sound like there are plenty examples of comedians that do call it out and who cannot get a gig on the BBC. Could you let me know who they are?

Cal wrote:

Moggy wrote:The way you have worded that makes it sound like there are plenty examples of comedians that do call it out and who cannot get a gig on the BBC. Could you let me know who they are?

I wish I could. That was the very point I was making.

Cal wrote:

Moggy wrote:The way you have worded that makes it sound like there are plenty examples of comedians that do call it out and who cannot get a gig on the BBC. Could you let me know who they are?

I wish I could. That was the very point I was making.

Cal wrote:

Moggy wrote:The way you have worded that makes it sound like there are plenty examples of comedians that do call it out and who cannot get a gig on the BBC. Could you let me know who they are?

I wish I could. That was the very point I was making.

Contrary to recent documentation, let's look at the real BBC scandal

The BBC has expended considerable effort, not to mention a very large amount of licence fee-payers’ money, upon suppressing evidence of its biased reporting.

In 2004, prompted by persistent concerns about anti-Israel bias, a report was written by broadcasting executive Malcolm Balen on the BBC’s Middle East coverage. The BBC has spent more than a third of a million pounds resisting legal efforts to force it to publish this report, which remains secret to this day.

In a report published in 2007, the BBC claimed that the previous year it had held a ‘high level seminar’ on climate change attended by ‘some of the best scientific experts’. As a result, said this report, the BBC had

‘come to the view that the weight of evidence no longer justifies equal space being given to the opponents of the consensus [on anthropogenic climate change]’.

A member of the public, Tony Newbery, mounted a five year attempt under Freedom of Information law to force the BBC to divulge the names of the ‘scientific experts’ who had persuaded it into this astounding abandonment of objectivity in reporting on the issue of climate change.

The BBC spent thousands of pounds blocking Mr Newbery’s action, which finally failed last Friday, implacably refusing to make those names publicly available. Now we know why.

For an enterprising blogger, Maurizio Morabito, has uncovered the list of these 28 names through searching an internet cache on the website of the International Broadcasting Trust, which helped set up the seminar with the BBC. This list shows that in fact only a tiny number of these secret participants were actually current scientists – and most or all of those were climate change alarmists, including the director of the Tyndall Centre which was at the eye of the infamous ‘Climategate’ email storm. The rest of them were activists or journalists.

So the BBC censored its journalism on climate change on the basis of a seminar of climate change partisans, zealots and assorted distinctly unauthoritative others, whom it wholly misleadingly described as some of the ‘best scientific experts’. It then spent thousands of pounds of public money trying to conceal this fact on the spurious grounds -- as with the Balen report – that journalistic processes had to remain private.

This scandal, however, goes way beyond the issue of climate change. The notion that the seminar’s co-organiser, the International Broadcasting Trust, is an objective body is quite false. It is nothing other than a left-wing lobby group supported by a veritable who’s who of radical developmental and third world-activist NGOs – including Amnesty, Christian Aid, Human Rights Watch, Islamic Relief, Muslim Aid, Oxfam, Save the Children and WWF (World Wildlife Fund) -- and which openly aims to influence broadcasters to promulgate the views of such organisations. And it boasts about its successes in achieving this aim:

‘Our lobbying work has produced significant results. Both the BBC and Channel 4 now have remits which place internationalism at the heart of their output... When the new BBC Charter was first published in 2006 in draft form, there was also no mention of internationalism. As a result of lobbying by IBT the Charter was amended and one of the BBC’s key purposes now is ´to bring the world to the UK.´

Indeed, the 2006 climate change seminar wasn’t the half of it. The Biased BBC site has uncovered a number of other seminars the IBT organised and that the BBC attended between 2004 and 2008. The IBT boasted:

‘Six seminars have taken place. They have had a significant impact on the BBC’s output’,

a claim apparently upheld in 2005 by Jana Bennett, then Director of Television, who

‘acknowledged that the Real World Brainstorms had had a significant impact on the BBC’s thinking and programming. She said the ambitious season Africa Lives on the BBC would not have been the same without this dialogue’;

not to mention Roly Keating, controller of BBC 2, who at another IBT seminar about ‘global interconnectedness’ in 2007

‘urged producers and commissioners ‘to generate more variety – shapes, tones, formats – because the liberation of coming at these subjects from a completely different spirit is so breathtaking.’

Given the supporters and aims of the IBT, is it surprising therefore that so much of the BBC’s journalism sounds so much like anti-capitalist, anti-west, anti-Israel, third-world agitprop?

And given the apparent systematic breach of the BBC‘s statutory duty to impartiality that would appear to have been involved, not just in its reporting but also in its association with an outfit whose agenda is to influence broadcasting output to a radical leftist view of the world, isn’t this a scandal that is even more urgent for Parliament to investigate than the wretched Newsnight debacle?

I put the main points above to the BBC. In response, they said this:

'There has been no censoring of climate change reporting. We have attempted to report proportionately. Indeed The BBC Trust’s science review of last year praised our coverage. The event certain bloggers have referred to was one in a series of seminars for BBC editors and managers. They were a forum for free and frank discussion of global issues and not created to produce programming nor set story direction. They involved external contributors from business, science and academia. Seminars such as this do not set editorial policy. They can over time and along with many other elements help inform our journalism through debate and access to expertise, but the setting of our editorial policies is a formal process involving BBC Boards and the BBC Trust.

'The BBC has refused disclosure on the basis that the documents were held for the purposes of journalism, art or literature, and are therefore outside the scope of the BBC’s designation under FOI Act. The Information Tribunal has unanimously upheld this. The seminar was conducted under the Chatham House Rule to enable free and frank discussion, something that is necessary for our independent journalism.

'IBT were one of a range of organisations and different voices the BBC worked with in delivering these seminars. They are no longer involved. The events were considered against our editorial guidelines and raised no issues about impartiality for the BBC or its output.'

Moggy wrote:

Cal wrote:

Moggy wrote:The way you have worded that makes it sound like there are plenty examples of comedians that do call it out and who cannot get a gig on the BBC. Could you let me know who they are?

I wish I could. That was the very point I was making.

No, your point was that you do not see comedians on the BBC making jokes about CAGW. The very fact that you brought the BBC into it, means that there are comedians "out there" that do make jokes about CAGW.

If you can't find even one, then that means one of three things.

1. Climate change is gooseberry fool comedy material.

2. All comedians support the idea of CAGW.

3. You have not looked very hard/can't be arsed to look.

Whichever one is true, it doesn't appear to be a "problem" with the BBC does it?

Moggy wrote:No, your point was that you do not see comedians on the BBC making jokes about CAGW. The very fact that you brought the BBC into it, means that there are comedians "out there" that do make jokes about CAGW.

Just as an exercise - name me one comedian on BBC you've seen calling out CAGW as bunkem. Here's a tip: it should be very easy for you find clips of BBC comedians calling climate sceptics 'nutjobs' and 'loonies'.

Cal wrote:

Moggy wrote:No, your point was that you do not see comedians on the BBC making jokes about CAGW. The very fact that you brought the BBC into it, means that there are comedians "out there" that do make jokes about CAGW.

Your pedantry knows no bounds, Moggy. Since you insist of forcing a response out of mt to your completely inappropriate question:

What I actually said:

Just as an exercise - name me one comedian on BBC you've seen calling out CAGW as bunkem. Here's a tip: it should be very easy for you find clips of BBC comedians calling climate sceptics 'nutjobs' and 'loonies'.

1. That is not the same as saying 'comedian making jokes about CAGW'.
2. I have never suggested in this thread that 'there are comedians out there who do make jokes about CAGW'
3. I have kept my argument specific to the BBC. I don't appreciate others in this thread wrongly suggesting I am applying this observation across all channels: again, that is something I never suggested.

My point is - and pay attention now - that the evidence suggests to me that most, if not all comedians on BBC tend to tow the generally-accepted 'consensus' on CAGW and the implicit license that seems to give them to belitttle and ridicule climate sceptics, openly refrring to them as 'deniers'. It is not often explicit, more often subtle or simply throwaway. But the bias is undeniably there.

Oh, and by the way, sometimes it is very blatant.

Cal wrote:

Drumstick wrote:I sometimes wonder whether Cal has anything else in his life other than the battle against CAGW and climate change.

Moggy wrote:

Cal wrote:

Moggy wrote:No, your point was that you do not see comedians on the BBC making jokes about CAGW. The very fact that you brought the BBC into it, means that there are comedians "out there" that do make jokes about CAGW.

Your pedantry knows no bounds, Moggy. Since you insist of forcing a response out of mt to your completely inappropriate question:

What I actually said:

Just as an exercise - name me one comedian on BBC you've seen calling out CAGW as bunkem. Here's a tip: it should be very easy for you find clips of BBC comedians calling climate sceptics 'nutjobs' and 'loonies'.

1. That is not the same as saying 'comedian making jokes about CAGW'.
2. I have never suggested in this thread that 'there are comedians out there who do make jokes about CAGW'
3. I have kept my argument specific to the BBC. I don't appreciate others in this thread wrongly suggesting I am applying this observation across all channels: again, that is something I never suggested.

My point is - and pay attention now - that the evidence suggests to me that most, if not all comedians on BBC tend to tow the generally-accepted 'consensus' on CAGW and the implicit license that seems to give them to belitttle and ridicule climate sceptics, openly refrring to them as 'deniers'. It is not often explicit, more often subtle or simply throwaway. But the bias is undeniably there.

Oh, and by the way, sometimes it is very blatant.

You state that on the BBC it is easy to find comedians mocking “skeptics” and impossible to find them mocking CAGW. I understand that and am not disagreeing with you.

What I asked you, is do comedians that are not on the BBC have different views? Because if they do then your statement about the BBC is valid. If they do not, then your statement about the BBC is hyperbolic bullshit as it would have nothing to do with the BBC, just comedy in general.

Do you see the point? Look at these two statements:

“The BBC do not allow comedians to make jokes about CAGW!”

“Comedians do not make jokes about CAGW!”

See the difference? They are the same thing, except in one of them an entire media organisation is being slandered.

And I am really sorry if that is being pedantic.

Tineash wrote:When did AGW become CAGW?

Tineash wrote:And when did global warming become AGW...