The GRcade Google+ Discussion Thread: 'Google+ is pathetic'

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PostThe GRcade Google+ Discussion Thread: 'Google+ is pathetic'
by KK » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:29 pm

Sky News wrote:Google has launched a new attempt at social networking as it again tries to challenge Facebook in the wildly popular and lucrative internet market.

This time the project is called Google+ and it aims to make online sharing more like real life and less technologically restrictive.

"We think people communicate in very rich ways," Google senior vice president of engineering Vic Gundotra said.

"The online tools we have to choose from give us very rigid services."

The company hopes it can improve social networks' selective sharing within small groups to make them more like real world communications, and unlike online where many acquaintances are labelled "friends".

It says many Facebook users find it difficult to limit their status updates to small groups of people so their co-workers are not exposed to party photos, or their parents are not privy to flirtatious posts on their wall.

Though Facebook has tried to address this with a much-hyped Groups feature, it is not clear how many people use it and now faces "Facebook fatigue" in some markets.

Mr Gundotra's criticism seems aimed squarely at Facebook, the world's largest online social network that has become synonymous with online sharing since it began seven years ago.

In response, Facebook said in a statement: "We're in the early days of making the web more social, and there are opportunities for innovation everywhere."

Google, which dominates internet searching, has been experimenting with different social tools since 2009 with limited success.

Google Buzz was one major mishap. The product was a social network attached to its popular Gmail service but it wound up exposing email contacts that users did not want to share.

The company eventually agreed to submit to independent audits of its privacy controls every other year for the next two decades as part of a US watchdog settlement.

Google shut down another attempt at online sharing, Google Wave, last August after unveiling it with much fanfare in 2009.

Google+ lets users share things with smaller groups of people through a feature called Circles.

The concept works on the basis that only select sub-groups, such as university mates or favourite work colleagues, can see photos or posted links.

Another feature called Sparks aims to make it easier to find online content you care about, be it news about football or cocktail recipes.

These can then be shared with friends who might be interested in it and is called "nerding out" by Google.

There is also a group messaging service called Huddle and a feature that lets users instantly upload photos that they take with mobile phones.

"I think Facebook is going to have to up its game," Altimeter Group analyst Charlene Li said about the new challenge.

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But others were more sceptical about the Google challenge.

Debra Aho Williamson, principal analyst with research firm eMarketer, said users already have their socialising set.

She said: "Asking them to create another social circle is challenging."

"The whole idea of a Google social network... they've been throwing stuff against the wall for several years and so forth nothing has stuck."

Google+ is being launched warily in a "field trial," so it is accessible by invitation only - the company declined to say when it would be more widely available.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Techno ... Networking

I guess we'll find out in a few years, but I wonder if this will turn out to be the whole MySpace/Facebook scenario repeated, where ultimately Google supersedes FB.

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Mogster » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:50 pm

In terms of its features, it looks fantastic. It could be the best thing ever and still fail if it doesn't pull people away from Facebook. I barely touch Facebook myself though, and I can't be alone in finding Google+ appealing but not that.

I think Google+ could stand a chance if Google really stick with it. It uses a lot of features that stand alone to a certain extent, with stuff like Instant Upload potentially being a bit of a trojan horse. It's possible that people will start using one or two features, and discover others as a result. It's promising stuff!

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Somebody Else's Presents » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:51 pm

Got my name down to join up as soon as there's a place available.

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Slartibartfast » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:13 am

I've signed up... the features look good and I know enough Gmail users that it may be useful.

Facebook won't be going anywhere soon for me, though.

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by D_C » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:14 am

Didn't they already do something like this last year? Google wave or something.

EDIT: Didn't read the whole article, but yeah, my point stands.

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Slartibartfast » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:17 am

They've tried Wave and Buzz so far with little success. Features from both get carried forward but they've shut them down as continuing entities.

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Foxhound » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:19 am

If it takes off I'll sign up, even though I rarely use facebook these days.

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by tomvek » Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:24 am

I actually think this has a good chance at topping Facebook in the coming years if that service doesn't keep up. The fact that it's so integrated into google is a great benefit to it.

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Beans » Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:01 am

Google seem to be moving further and further away from their 'don't be evil' mantra

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Catheter Rising » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:45 am

Signed up for the beta, hopefully I'll be lucky like I was with Google Music (which is looking really good by the way)

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Drunken_Master » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:47 am

What's the point? Anyone interested in social networking would already be on Facebook. :?

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Somebody Else's Presents » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:04 am

Drunken_Master wrote:What's the point? Anyone interested in social networking would already be on Facebook. :?


I remember the same thing being said with MySpace and Facebook a few years back.

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Yoshimi » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:15 am

I think Facebook has passed a tipping point in users, it's going to be hard to convince everyone to move over to Google+. I don't really want to be updating/checking both. I'm always on FB, and there's many things that could be improved about it.

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Drunken_Master » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:19 am

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Drunken_Master wrote:What's the point? Anyone interested in social networking would already be on Facebook. :?


I remember the same thing being said with MySpace and Facebook a few years back.


You remember people saying why would anybody be interested in Facebook when they're already on Facebook?

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by TigaSefi » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:21 am

It won't work as they have already restricted people from using it :fp:

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Catheter Rising » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:30 am

Its just in beta at the moment, so it'll only be restricted for a short time. They did it with their email, and are currently doing it with the music service too.

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Floex » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:51 am

What is their music service? Like iTunes?

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Catheter Rising » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:53 am

Its basically cloud storage for your music - I've synced it with my main PC, and its uploaded all my files to their servers, and I can now access it from any PC, or my phone. Its pretty nifty.

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Floex » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:02 am

Ooh, that does sound good. How much space is allocated? Can you still access it?

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PostRe: Google Plus, then...
by Catheter Rising » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:11 am

I think you get space for 20,000 songs for free in the beta, but they haven't announced what the full offer will be.

I've got access at the moment, and I doubt they'll be removing it anytime soon, as I've been led to believe that it'll work like Picasa storage (free for a certain amount, pay for extra space, but they never delete anything.)

Currently its open to existing google account holders in the US only, but if you access http://music.google.com via a US proxy, then you can sign up from the UK.


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