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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 203 09/10: CM Punk makes first & last MMA appearance
by zXe » Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:05 pm

UFC is sport entertainment. That's why.

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by Rocsteady » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:16 pm

That sport entertainment is responsible for people's livelihoods though, and as such should be fair. It's like saying Arsenal, when they finish fourth, play really entertaining football so should be allowed to be parachuted into the CL without any qualifying matches. It's unfair to the rest.

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 203 09/10: CM Punk makes first & last MMA appearance
by ladybayred » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:44 pm

Brerlappin wrote:So if Cristiano Ronaldo has transcended football, does that mean he can demand to go play for a different team each match? Just because people will pay to watch him play?

This analogy is a bust. McGregor isn't fighting for another promotion every week is he? He has a multi-fight deal with the UFC and thus fights exclusively for them.

Brerlappin wrote:UFC are desperately trying to shed the old image of human cockfighting and become a legitimate sporting league. That's what the Reebok deal, the uniforms, the removal of fighter sponsors was all about. Making it a legit sport. But giving your FW champ a crack at the LW belt, despite not one single title defense in a year, 2 fights at strawberry floating middleweight against Diaz who up til the Michael Johnson fight wasn't even ranked, when there is already an interim FW champ waiting for the title shot, and a ton of other FWs who are all deserving of a title shot.


He knocked Aldo out less than a year ago and only Holloway is on some sort of win streak (guess who was the last man to beat him.)


Brerlappin wrote:Is it fair to them to completely stall their division, denying them the chance at the belt and making more money? Just so he can hold onto it so he can have his 2 belt dream come true? (And even if it does come true, it's practically been set up for him at this point so it's barely even legit).


He's fighting the strawberry floating champion - how has that been set up for him? Who do you think is the legitimate champ Connor should be challenging?


Brerlappin wrote:Just because you "put bums on seats" doesn't mean you should be able to tell your employer's how things are gonna be. But Conor has the UFC by the balls so they pander to him and it just makes the UFC look less and less legit as a sport every time.


ffs UFC isn't a sport - its merely a fight promotion. MMA was around before the UFC and will continue to be around long after its gone.

Brerlappin wrote:That's why this is a joke. I guarantee once he gets 2 belts hell drop the FW belt. He doesn't ever want to make that cut again but doesn't want to vacate the belt until he can say "2 weight world champ".


Even if he dropped the belt tomorrow - if he beats Alvarez he will still be considered a 2 division UFC (not world champ ffs) champ. Like BJ and Randy for example, though I concede he would be the first concurrent.

In all honesty if you don't like what is being served up don't watch it. Bellator and some Japanese promotions put on much better freakshow/ old man fights.

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 203 09/10: CM Punk makes first & last MMA appearance
by Skippy » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:12 pm

twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/status/782911970966138880



I'm going to enjoy watching this piece of gooseberry fool circle the drain

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 203 09/10: CM Punk makes first & last MMA appearance
by Mafro » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:57 pm

The replies to that tweet :lol:

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 203 09/10: CM Punk makes first & last MMA appearance
by Skippy » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:15 pm

twitter.com/Tyson_Fury/status/782956211226292224



Cocaine. It's a hell of a drug

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 203 09/10: CM Punk makes first & last MMA appearance
by ladybayred » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:54 pm

Brerlappin wrote:That's wonderful. Just one other question tho, how many other 155ers has Conor beat to get the LW title shot? Actually how many fights total has he had at 155? Must be quite a few to get a title shot, right?


Marquee super fights don't follow those rules (there aren't any actual rules). If GSP had stepped up to fight Anderson would he have had to fight 185 a couple of times first? Would Jones have to have done the same at HW. If DJ wants to challenge Cruz tomorrow will he have to clear the division first? No thought not.





Lucien wrote:Technically, but there'll be a Manhattan-sized asterisk next to his name and the "155 champion" label would be treated (rightfully) as shady by sports fans.


*Technically* there wont. Only the tears of bitter haters. I don't care who wins - I just like seeing big fights and seeing a champ step up a weight class should be respected.

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 203 09/10: CM Punk makes first & last MMA appearance
by Mafro » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:45 am

Brerlappin wrote:He's just an over hyped loudmouth that appeals to casual plebs.

I saw someone the other day describe him as the Kardashians for white men :lol:

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by Rocsteady » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:18 am

Although Fury does have more skill than many people give him credit for and a surprising amount of boxing nous, it is crazy that the most prestigious title in boxing is held by him. Was actually glad when he won to finally break the Klitchkos' monotonous reign at the top but the guy is a total knob. Sounds like he'll be back in the not too distant future anyway, assuming he can pull his gooseberry fool together a bit.

I think Klitchko would be a step too far for AJ at this point but would be happy to be proven wrong.

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by ladybayred » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:27 am

Brerlappin wrote:So your answer is, 0 fights at lightweight, 0 previous wins at lightweight, yet somehow deserving of a lightweight title shot over all of the actual lightweights who have fought and competed for a LW title shot for years.

Yes - because he's a champion. But we are going round in circles here.

Brerlappin wrote:Yeah, makes sense. Give him a WW shot next, maybe LHW after that? Thatd make a nice poster for your bedroom! Connie Mac with FOUR belts!! *Swoon*

If he did that it would be the greatest achievement in sporting history.

Brerlappin wrote:And there already is an asterisk over his career. He had the easiest road to a FW title shot of anyone, and now if he does get the LW belt, he gets it without having a single FW defense? Yeah cause that's what real champions do right? Sure, maybe in the strawberry floatin WWE.

Yeah what you've put there is possibly the most retarded thing I've ever read.

Win 19–2 José Aldo
Win 18–2 Chad Mendes
Win 17–2 Dennis Siver
Win 16–2 Dustin Poirier
Win 15–2 Diego Brandão
Win 14–2 Max Holloway
Win 13–2 Marcus Brimage

Denis Siver aside that is some list.


Champion : Conor McGregor
1 Jose Aldo (Interim Champion - won once since losing to Connor in emphatic fashion)
2 Frankie Edgar (coming off a loss)
3 Max Holloway (9 fight win streak - the one man for me with a legitimate claim)
4 Ricardo Lamas (just lost to max)
5 Cub Swanson (not fought Connor, on a 2 fight win streak but lost previously to Frankie and Holloway)
6 Anthony Pettis
7 Jeremy Stephens
8 Charles Oliveira
9 Dennis Bermudez
10 Brian Ortega

The only ranked people with legitimate claims to a title shot Connor has already beaten.

Brerlappin wrote:Hes been strawberry floating babied because he makes money. End of. He got his gooseberry fool destroyed by a Diaz bro who walked off a party boat and into the octagon on 11 days notice. Never defended any of his CW titles either.


Again your theory holds no water. He's not been babied (outlined above) and the reason he makes so much money is because he turns up to fight and puts on a show every time he's in the octagon.

The only time the UFC has caved into Connor's demands is with the rematch with Nate - a fight its worth mentioning Connor won against a man who on the night had 20lbs on him. The first fight with Nate was a late replacement.

The UFC wanted this Alvarez fight because its the biggest scrap it could put on for its first event in NY.

Brerlappin wrote:He's just an over hyped loudmouth that appeals to casual plebs.


That's probably the smuggest, most arrogant thing I've ever read.

I just don't understand your absolute hate for Connor and his undeserving title shot when this weekend Dan Henderson a man rankined 13th in the division and riding a massive 1 fight win streak is going against Bisping for the belt.

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 203 09/10: CM Punk makes first & last MMA appearance
by Rocsteady » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:32 pm

I do actually think that McGregor's a better fighter than many on here give him credit for. He's not some Godlike entity, and I can't forgive a few people on my Fb feed comparing him to Ali, but he's definitely one of the stars of fighting from the last few years, even stripping away all the PR bullshit.

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 203 09/10: CM Punk makes first & last MMA appearance
by Lonestar » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:30 pm

Regarding Conor's record.

Brimage & Brandao were never any good so lets not go there. Holloway at the time was not at the level he is now, and Mendes took the fight on 2 weeks notice.

The Poirier & Aldo wins are impressive, but lets be honest, both men were mentally broken before the fights even began and both fought stupid fights.

The Diaz fights exposed Conor's game big time. Although credit goes to Conor & Dana for constantly mentioning the fictional weight difference, the casual fan has really bought into that.

Hopefully Alvarez gets the win but his chin worries me, and Conor hits really strawberry floating hard...

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 203 09/10: CM Punk makes first & last MMA appearance
by Rocsteady » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:29 pm

Brerlappin wrote:
Rocsteady wrote:I do actually think that McGregor's a better fighter than many on here give him credit for. He's not some Godlike entity, and I can't forgive a few people on my Fb feed comparing him to Ali, but he's definitely one of the stars of fighting from the last few years, even stripping away all the PR bullshit.


Hes definitely talented. No doubt about it. I give him credit for that, but hes also way, way overhyped and doesn't have a record to back up the hype.
Look at Mighty Mouse, Cruz, or Jon Jones, as much of a scumbag as he is. Dominant, dominant champions. Jones has dismantled a whos who of the LHW division. The people hes beaten are practically a murderers row of the best of the LHW division. Mighty Mouse literally looks invincible. Like hes activated a strawberry floating cheat mode or something. Cruz is a god damn magician. Any of these guys moving up or down a weight class would be a superfight. If you want to make a superfight it needs to be with Champions that are proven, Alvarez Mcgregor isn't a superfight, its 2 guys who are 0 - 0 for title defenses, where one guy knows he can make a shitload of cash win or lose, and the other can pick up a 2nd belt. That's all. Will it be entertaining? sure. Does it make sense? None at all. If you want a real superfight, make MM fight Cruz. There you go, 2 dominant champions, both have never lost in the UFC (Cruz only dropping his title through injury), both riding massive win streaks.

Bisping V Hendo is equally dumb, but at least theres a backstory there, and the threat of Hendo retiring as a champ, or Bisping avenging a brutal KO. I don't agree with it but at least it makes slightly more sense than Alvarez Mcgregor. Realistically these are just "sports entertainment" fights, with a heavy emphasis on entertainment and not so much on sports. Its making a mockery of ranks and belts, everyone just wants money fights, and its honestly the kind of WWE horseshit I cant stand. Manufactured beefs with fighters, smack talk, all that gooseberry fool. I like a good villain to root against once in a while but not if it means everyone in the entire sport just says "strawberry float it, let me fight him cause ill get rich, screw the belts and the P4P ranking".
Its not Conors fault, if the UFC paid better they wouldn't be in this situation. But they've given in to him at almost every opportunity and let it get like this, and what are uninteresting journeymen like Alvarez gonna do when Conor retires? I'm sick of these guys shouting "CONOR FITE ME" for a payday. Youre the strawberry floating LW Champ, youre supposed to be the money fight people clamour for.

The McGregor era truly is the darkest timeline of the UFC

Good post. I'd not actually seen Cruz fight before, had a watch of a few videos of his on YouTube and it's pretty crazy, boy's got some skills like.



I do think the shitty pay in ufc's a major factor behind this, no-one's making a nest egg for themselves unless they're at the very top of their division and manage to be big box office. Considering the amount of work put into it and the average length of careers it's an absolutely outrage. Boxing's strawberry floated but at least many boxers at the top can still retire for life with a couple of decent investments.

Speaking of which, Tyson Fury's done. The guy's a total knob but I wouldn't wish his problems on anyone. Can't see him ever stepping foot in a ring again, and hopefully in time that helps him with his mental health issues.

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 204 09/10 Bisping v Hendo 2: Loser Leaves Town
by Lotus » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:36 am

Fury seems like a real moron, but he's clearly not right in the head either. Hopefully something can be done to help him and other boxers with mental health issues.

Also, Josh Samman confirmed dead at 28. Real shame, seemed like a decent guy when I watched him on TUF.

And Cormier vs Rumble 2 booked for UFC 206, along with Werdum vs. Cain on December 30th.

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 204 09/10 Bisping v Hendo 2: Loser Leaves Town
by Saint of Killers » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:32 am

No UFC 204 chatter?

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 204 09/10 Bisping v Hendo 2: Loser Leaves Town
by Monkey Man » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:00 pm

UFC 204 - Just about deserved win for Bisping, was in trouble with a couple of shots but put in more over the 5 rounds.

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 204 09/10 Bisping v Hendo 2: Loser Leaves Town
by Mafro » Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:20 pm

Saint of Killers wrote:No UFC 204 chatter?

Wasn't really bothered about it. Dumb main event put together due to nostalgia and the biggest PPV they've done in the UK happening at stupid o'clock in the morning to pander to America.

At least the main event sounded decent.

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 204 09/10 Bisping v Hendo 2: Loser Leaves Town
by Lotus » Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:34 pm

Only watched the main event, but was pleased to see Bisping win. He's now overtaken GSP to have to most wins in the UFC.

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 204 09/10 Bisping v Hendo 2: Loser Leaves Town
by Rocsteady » Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:38 pm

Bisping's post match interview :lol:

Great fight, Bisping can recover from a punch incredibly well. The fact he made it through the first two rounds is amazing.

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PostRe: |Fight Club| MMA | Noobs guide to MMA in OP | UFC 204 09/10 Bisping v Hendo 2: Loser Leaves Town
by Floex » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:04 pm

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