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Froch vs Taylor tonight boys, who've you got?

I already said Froch by stoppage, most probably late. I think Taylor will outbox him in the first half of the fight before gassing and getting hurt by Froch. I see it going like the Cotto vs Margarito fight actually, although I don't anticipate the possibility that Froch will cheat like Margarito may have done!

In the five years I've been seriously following boxing I've been keeping tabs on my gambling and I've worked out that I'm up around £320. I'm right much more often than I'm wrong, but I see this one as a 50/50 fight even though I have a clear prediction. The wallet shall stay in my pocket this time, as I don't bet on fights I'm not at least 75% sure of - also, it should be noted that the odds on Froch have been slashed over the last few days for some bizarre reason.

zXe wrote:

Lonestar wrote:Tonight this guy makes his MMA debut.

only should be allowed to fight if the rules aren't changed at all. i'm sorry but i think the idea of this guy fighting ridiculous enough for mma,it's a freak show almost. if he wants to risk getting strawberry floated up then that's up to him. but there should be no exceptions or special rules made in his case. if i was a fighter, and i had to fight this guy, i would keep my distance. i wouldn't go in close to give him a chance at all, and repeatedly throw leg kicks to his skull until he's ko'd. you see the leg kicks shouldn't count as soccer kicks to the head, because it's his fault he's small and has no legs not mine. i'd then pound his face into the mat once he went down and feel no remorse what so ever. i hope his opponent does this to him. mma doesn't need freak shows to spoil it.

No offence intended, but it's this part of MMA I despise and possibly the biggest factor in me not being much of a fan. I know boxing can be just as brutal, but it just seems so much more sporting.

Phatman wrote:Froch vs Taylor tonight boys, who've you got?

I already said Froch by stoppage, most probably late. I think Taylor will outbox him in the first half of the fight before gassing and getting hurt by Froch. I see it going like the Cotto vs Margarito fight actually, although I don't anticipate the possibility that Froch will cheat like Margarito may have done!

In the five years I've been seriously following boxing I've been keeping tabs on my gambling and I've worked out that I'm up around £320. I'm right much more often than I'm wrong, but I see this one as a 50/50 fight even though I have a clear prediction. The wallet shall stay in my pocket this time, as I don't bet on fights I'm not at least 75% sure of - also, it should be noted that the odds on Froch have been slashed over the last few days for some bizarre reason.

What is Taylor like as a fighter these days? I mean he still is a young man but have heard hasn't been impressive

Phatman wrote:No offence intended, but it's this part of MMA I despise and possibly the biggest factor in me not being much of a fan. I know boxing can be just as brutal, but it just seems so much more sporting.

i'm sorry if my words sounded overly aggressive, but it was more directed at this guy, because, i think it's not suitable for the sport for this guy to compete, as many others have said, it could leave a bad stain on mma if this guy gets really hurt. thats why i exaggerated and said i'd rather he just gets owned and not fight again. in general though. i don't like to see a fighter get brutalized unnecessarily. i like to see a good fight whether it be a striking battle or a fight on the ground, as long as there's a good display of technique and action. not just mindless throwing punches, even though that can be quite entertaining too.

F-Heonix wrote:

Phatman wrote:Froch vs Taylor tonight boys, who've you got?

I already said Froch by stoppage, most probably late. I think Taylor will outbox him in the first half of the fight before gassing and getting hurt by Froch. I see it going like the Cotto vs Margarito fight actually, although I don't anticipate the possibility that Froch will cheat like Margarito may have done!

In the five years I've been seriously following boxing I've been keeping tabs on my gambling and I've worked out that I'm up around £320. I'm right much more often than I'm wrong, but I see this one as a 50/50 fight even though I have a clear prediction. The wallet shall stay in my pocket this time, as I don't bet on fights I'm not at least 75% sure of - also, it should be noted that the odds on Froch have been slashed over the last few days for some bizarre reason.

What is Taylor like as a fighter these days? I mean he still is a young man but have heard hasn't been impressive

Not sure when you mean from, so I'll just walk you through his recent history. Generally he has been poor since beating Hopkins for the second time (and second disputable time). There is no shame in walking out of a fight with Winky Wright with a draw, but I felt he lost and it wouldn't have been in question had Winky fought every round. Against Kassim Ouma, a guy he should have completely outclassed and naturally a light middleweight, he looked rattled even though he won by a large points margin. Against Cory Spinks, another natural light middleweight, he struggled again and came away with a split decision. Against Kelly Pavlik, he wasted an opportunity to put Pavlik away early having badly hurt him, only to gass out and get knocked out himself. In the rematch he looked better but timid, allowing Pavlik to control the fight with his jab - losing again but this time by decision. In his last fight he looked fairly good against a washed-up Jeff Lacy, but was knocked down, although the referee didn't count it for an inexplicable reason. He won comfortably, but in truth Lacy was never that good and since his shoulder injury he has been even worse. The psychological damage he got after taking a beating from Calzaghe can't have done his confidence any good either.

So, I'd say Taylor has been distinctly unimpressive. The fact remains though, that he has elite level skills and the raw physical attributes to trouble anyone. I don't think he has the heart for a proper fight though and for that reason I'm picking Froch. Should Taylor be able to keep Froch on the outside, he could walk away with a lopsided decision though, as Froch is far too easy to hit.

zXe wrote:

Phatman wrote:No offence intended, but it's this part of MMA I despise and possibly the biggest factor in me not being much of a fan. I know boxing can be just as brutal, but it just seems so much more sporting.

i'm sorry if my words sounded overly aggressive, but it was more directed at this guy, because, i think it's not suitable for the sport for this guy to compete, as many others have said, it could leave a bad stain on mma if this guy gets really hurt. thats why i exaggerated and said i'd rather he just gets owned and not fight again. in general though. i don't like to see a fighter get brutalized unnecessarily. i like to see a good fight whether it be a striking battle or a fight on the ground, as long as there's a good display of technique and action. not just mindless throwing punches, even though that can be quite entertaining too.

Exactly my thoughts actually. I've enjoyed some MMA fights I've seen and I feel I could be a fan in future, but I just feel uneasy when they repeatedly punch their opponents head off the canvas. Not because I'm easily squeamish about violence, but because it seems less like a sport and more like a street fight at that point.

i can understand that perspective, in some cases, the ref can sometimes take too long to call and end to a fight or step in. and sometimes the ko's are brutal. i also think the fact that the gloves are small it looks more damaging when they get smacked in the head. but that's just how it is. however in saying that i don't believe a fighter has ever died in a mma match, or only 1 person. not 100% sure. i think if a fighter is intelligent enough, they will protect themselves properly, and if the ref sees a fight is over, will usually call the end of the fight and stop in promptly. this however can also be debatable, because refs can sometimes stop a fight too soon. i've seen mma fights where fighters have been robbed, because the ref thought they were ko'd or and taken to much damage, when the fighter has protested that they are ok etc. and thus lost. it's annoying when that happens because that stays on their record.

One fighter that anyone who has an interest in mma knows or should know is the current #1 heavyweight fighter in the world fedor emelianenko. this man has fought some of the best heavyweights in the world, has beaten them all and is considered by most to be the best fighter pound for pound and probably ever in mma. his record currently stands as 30(wins) 1(loss) 1(no contest). however many fans agree that that 1 loss shouldn't count as a loss because he wasn't actually beaten in that fight. he lost due to a cut by an illegal elbow from his opponent at the start of the round. it was accidental, however the cut was bad so the fight had to be stopped. and because this was a tournament fight, one fighter had to go on to the next round, so fedor was declared the loser of the fight. he later had a rematch against this man in pride fc and beat him by tko. technically he's never been beaten really. which is amazing in itself.

to truly prove though that he is the ultimate number 1 mma fighter, he needs to come and fight for the ufc. if they day comes i will cry because it will be so amazing.

Fedor Emelianenko, he is the Russian fighter, right? Bravo were showing an MMA contest a while back (forget it's name) and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy your talking about. Imagine him in UFC

Cheers Phatman, like I said I don't know much about Taylor background but from going off your impressions i'm going with Froch in the 8th

F-Heonix wrote:Fedor Emelianenko, he is the Russian fighter, right? Bravo were showing an MMA contest a while back (forget it's name) and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy your talking about. Imagine him in UFC

Yea that's him. I think that was when he fought on affliction day of reckoning against anderi arlovski. i want to see fedor fight brock lesnar, even fedor himself has said he would like to fight him. would be an awsome match. or fight frank mir. i guess it depends on who wins a ufc 100 between lesnar and mir.

zXe wrote:

F-Heonix wrote:Fedor Emelianenko, he is the Russian fighter, right? Bravo were showing an MMA contest a while back (forget it's name) and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy your talking about. Imagine him in UFC

Yea that's him. I think that was when he fought on affliction day of reckoning against anderi arlovski. i want to see fedor fight brock lesnar, even fedor himself has said he would like to fight him. would be an awsome match. or fight frank mir. i guess it depends on who wins a ufc 100 between lesnar and mir.

Lesnar is over rated as a fighter. He's only got a title shot because his popularity as a wrestler will bring new fans to MMA.

i felt/feel the same, however i interested in how lesnar will perform at ufc 100.

MMA.Fanhouse.com is reporting that former WWE star Bobby Lashley has signed a fight with Japanese legend Bob Sapp on June 27 at the Mississippi Gulf Coast Coliseum in Biloxi, MS. Lashley, who is 2-0 in his MMA career, officially signed his bout agreement late last night (April 20th)

F-Heonix wrote:

MMA.Fanhouse.com is reporting that former WWE star Bobby Lashley has signed a fight with Japanese legend Bob Sapp on June 27 at the Mississippi Gulf Coast Coliseum in Biloxi, MS. Lashley, who is 2-0 in his MMA career, officially signed his bout agreement late last night (April 20th)

He's also fighting in May.

Bobby Lashley has signed to face Mike Cook (7-3) on 5/15 in Edmonton for the Maximum Fighting Championships. The show will air live on HDNet.

Lashley has also agreed to continue with TNA and they are trying to come up with cross-sponsorship opportunities for both pro wrestling and MMA.

A very busy man.

Brerlappins little hat wrote:

Phatman wrote:

zXe wrote:

Lonestar wrote:Tonight this guy makes his MMA debut.

only should be allowed to fight if the rules aren't changed at all. i'm sorry but i think the idea of this guy fighting ridiculous enough for mma,it's a freak show almost. if he wants to risk getting ****** up then that's up to him. but there should be no exceptions or special rules made in his case. if i was a fighter, and i had to fight this guy, i would keep my distance. i wouldn't go in close to give him a chance at all, and repeatedly throw leg kicks to his skull until he's ko'd. you see the leg kicks shouldn't count as soccer kicks to the head, because it's his fault he's small and has no legs not mine. i'd then pound his face into the mat once he went down and feel no remorse what so ever. i hope his opponent does this to him. mma doesn't need freak shows to spoil it.

No offence intended, but it's this part of MMA I despise and possibly the biggest factor in me not being much of a fan. I know boxing can be just as brutal, but it just seems so much more sporting.

WUT?!

Does he take his wheelchair into the ring?! WTF??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiEAdQ-lvNw

Mommy wrote:

zXe wrote:

F-Heonix wrote:Fedor Emelianenko, he is the Russian fighter, right? Bravo were showing an MMA contest a while back (forget it's name) and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy your talking about. Imagine him in UFC

Yea that's him. I think that was when he fought on affliction day of reckoning against anderi arlovski. i want to see fedor fight brock lesnar, even fedor himself has said he would like to fight him. would be an awsome match. or fight frank mir. i guess it depends on who wins a ufc 100 between lesnar and mir.

Lesnar is over rated as a fighter. He's only got a title shot because his popularity as a wrestler will bring new fans to MMA.

Didn't Lesner already fight Mir? I have only seen a couple of fights of his so far, the debut, he loses due to him lowering his guard and him winning the title.

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Mommy wrote:

zXe wrote:

F-Heonix wrote:Fedor Emelianenko, he is the Russian fighter, right? Bravo were showing an MMA contest a while back (forget it's name) and I'm pretty sure it's the same guy your talking about. Imagine him in UFC

Yea that's him. I think that was when he fought on affliction day of reckoning against anderi arlovski. i want to see fedor fight brock lesnar, even fedor himself has said he would like to fight him. would be an awsome match. or fight frank mir. i guess it depends on who wins a ufc 100 between lesnar and mir.

Lesnar is over rated as a fighter. He's only got a title shot because his popularity as a wrestler will bring new fans to MMA.

Didn't Lesner already fight Mir? I have only seen a couple of fights of his so far, the debut, he loses due to him lowering his guard and him winning the title.

3 Fights in the UFC - Mir (L), Herring (W, Decision), Couture (W, TKO)
His first fight was in K1 against Min Soo Kim (W, Sub by punches). This fight was originally going to be Hong Man Choi but he pulled out.



As far as ex-wrestlers go it would be worth keep an eye on Bobby Lashley who is doing things the right way.

Just watched the Froch fight. First 5 rounds I thought he was screwed, he looked limp. Then just as the commentators said Taylor blew up exactly on cue. To me Froch would've lost without that stoppage in my eyes. It was so close. But those last 3 rounds he finally came alive and his last round was superb. Ref made the right choice Taylor had been knocked down and seconds later was on the ropes taking hit after hit, he wasn't looking forward and was all over the place. He was still stood yes but in his head he was on the mat. While Froch wasn't ever really in any real danger he did look weak. Not a convincing win but his comeback from the tenth was impressive. I've got massive doubts that he'll go any further.

Rog wrote:Just watched the Froch fight. First 5 rounds I thought he was screwed, he looked limp. Then just as the commentators said Taylor blew up exactly on cue. To me Froch would've lost without that stoppage in my eyes. It was so close. But those last 3 rounds he finally came alive and his last round was superb. Ref made the right choice Taylor had been knocked down and seconds later was on the ropes taking hit after hit, he wasn't looking forward and was all over the place. He was still stood yes but in his head he was on the mat. While Froch wasn't ever really in any real danger he did look weak. Not a convincing win but his comeback from the tenth was impressive. I've got massive doubts that he'll go any further.

Couldn't agree more. He was behind on the cards going into the last, even a 10-8 would have meant a loss. A better fighter than Taylor would have seen him off. Kelly Pavlik might be a good opponent for Froch.

Pavlik would be the natural progression as he beat Taylor under similar circumstances. If Froch could get past Pavlik then he'd get the elevation he's looking for and his undefeated streak might look a bit more credible.

Phatman wrote:Prediction: Froch by stoppage. Taylor to outbox Froch early, but Froch to outlast Taylor and slowly hurt him until the fight is stopped. Probably late

You can call me The Oracle if you like. I didn't see Froch going down at all, but I foresaw the rest. Froch started sloppily, winging power shots and not reacting quick enough to Taylor's combinations, but his trainer Robert McCracken did a masterful job with his corner advise. Froch started to use his jab-straight right combination from round 7 onwards, occasionally reverting to his sloppy ways, but eventually settling. Taylor gassed out as predicted, but a lot of that had to do with the increased pace Froch was fighting at and the jabs he was eating. The Showtime analysts got it spot on when they said that Froch can go as far as his chin and heart can, because he will get to you eventually and has the power to hurt anyone.

Typically Froch called out Calzaghe again, and it's a fight I wouldn't mind seeing, but Calzaghe has nothing to prove and I feel he'd outbox Froch comfortably. Unlike Taylor, there is no chance that Calzaghe will gas.