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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by Karl » Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:42 pm

I mean, okay, so my votes don't get discounted I'll say this: I'm posting in a tongue in cheek way because I know everyone will disagree with me, but I actually don't really like any indie games. I've never played an indie game I've thought was 'great' and I've only thought a couple were even 'good'. IMO they are often low-effort bollocks that trick people into liking them through sheer pretension.

A GameMaker-level pixel-graphics platformer with a chiptune soundtrack and auto-generated sound effects that blagged its way to 9s and 10s because it made wanky reviewers remember their dead dog and have a little cry (or whatever) might still be kinda fun (despite my vitriol!) but shouldn't be anywhere near a list of the top 100 best ever games.

Obviously I'm constructing a kind of straw indie game there but I am serious about vetoing them so please count my votes.

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by smurphy » Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:54 pm

That is really not something I expected to hear from you, Karl (though I actually partially agree with what you're saying), I just don't think you should tar all 'indie games' with the same brush. Undertale, for example, probably fits the description of the kind of game you clearly hate. And I hate it too. Probably unreasonably, but I think there's a point where your visuals and presentation are so bad that it doesn't matter if it's deliberate or a homage or whatever.

I'm annoyed because none of the games I listed fall into that category. They're almost all systems-based design masterpieces. Or super atmospheric and niche games that would never otherwise be made if it wasn't for one guy in his basement. Admittedly some of them I listed purely because I thought nobody would veto them because they've never heard of or played them, but they're all still very good games. Better than the majority of 'AAA' stuff that I now largely ignore.

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by Karl » Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:57 pm

smurphy wrote:I'm annoyed because none of the games I listed fall into that category. They're almost all systems-based design masterpieces. Or super atmospheric and niche games that would never otherwise be made if it wasn't for one guy in his basement. Admittedly some of them I listed purely because I thought nobody would veto them because they've never heard of or played them, but they're all still very good games. Better than the majority of 'AAA' stuff that I now largely ignore.


Serious challenge: pick your favourite; I will play it this weekend and if I like it I will rescind my veto of it. I don't know if it will make any difference (my bet is that the whole list will be vetoed over the next few days :lol: ) but you might open my eyes to a great indie game.

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by Fries. Wedges. Crisps? » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:28 pm

OrangeRakoon wrote:(Shout out to Dan for making this annoyingly hard by revetoing games he had already vetoed so I had to go back through the thread to find out which to dismiss :x )


Sorry - didn't realise this :lol:

OrangeRakoon wrote:Only 10 games have not been veto'd at all - although not all of them are new entries

Those that aren't are the winners here, surely?

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by smurphy » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:31 pm

Whichever you think looks best out of FTL, Invisible Inc or Duskers. The former is as close as video games have ever come to a Star Trek simulation, the middle has made it so I can't play Xcom anymore because it's so much more tightly designed and the latter is to Alien what FTL is to Star Trek. Duskers is probably the least amazing of the three, but it has a special place in my heart.

I genuinely can't believe you haven't played these games before.

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by Ironhide » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:45 pm

Haven't played Duskers but both FTL and Invisible, Inc. are great games irrespective of their indie roots.

I'm not sure if I'd say the latter is better than XCOM though as it definitely doesn't have the wide variety of content present in its AAA 'cousin'.

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by NickSCFC » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:55 pm

Veto

Crysis
Halo 2
Halo 3
Hitman Blood Money
Project Gotham Racing 2
XII

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by Super Dragon 64 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:42 pm

Karl wrote:
smurphy wrote:I'm annoyed because none of the games I listed fall into that category. They're almost all systems-based design masterpieces. Or super atmospheric and niche games that would never otherwise be made if it wasn't for one guy in his basement. Admittedly some of them I listed purely because I thought nobody would veto them because they've never heard of or played them, but they're all still very good games. Better than the majority of 'AAA' stuff that I now largely ignore.


Serious challenge: pick your favourite; I will play it this weekend and if I like it I will rescind my veto of it. I don't know if it will make any difference (my bet is that the whole list will be vetoed over the next few days :lol: ) but you might open my eyes to a great indie game.

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by mic » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:52 pm

Why crysis? Explain yourself, sir! :x

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by Fries. Wedges. Crisps? » Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:58 pm

NickSCFC wrote:Veto

XII


I pre-veto your veto of the sequel.

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by Super Dragon 64 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:25 am

Veto:

Cannon Fodder
Diddy Kong Racing
Grim Fandango
Halo 2
Halo 3
Helldivers
Jet Set Radio Future
Mega Man 2
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
Nights into Dreams
No More Room In Hell
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee
Phantasy Star IV
Poker Night 2
Project Gotham Racing 3
Rez
Rollercoaster Tycoon
Skate 2
Skies of Arcadia (Legends)
Soul Calibur 2
Street Fighter II
Street Fighter III: Third Strike
Syndicate
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2
Virtua Fighter 4 EVO
Wave Race 64
Wii Sports

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by Corazon de Leon » Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:34 am

The strawberry float is wrong with you?

Karl - play Broforce. It's magnificently addictive.

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by bear » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:16 am

The threads an interesting idea but the amount of people going out of their way to ruin it makes the whole exercise pointless.

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by NickSCFC » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:34 am

bear wrote:The threads an interesting idea but the amount of people going out of their way to ruin it makes the whole exercise pointless.


Go on...

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by Met » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:35 am

NickSCFC wrote:
bear wrote:The threads an interesting idea but the amount of people going out of their way to ruin it makes the whole exercise pointless.


Go on...


OrangeRakoon wrote:Games that are not great by consensus


Bayonetta
Bloodborne
Demon's Souls
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy VI
Metal Gear Solid 2
Persona 4 (Golden)
Persona 5
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 4
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening


I rest my case.

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by Pedz » Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:06 pm

I vetoed some of those as I genuinely don't like the. Like Dark Souls and Bloodborne, there's some cool things about them, but I don't find them enjoyable and the jank you sometimes get is shocking. Oh, but there isn't jank in those games, oh it's ok in those games, they get a pass. Bollocks.

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PostRe: RE: Re: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by Death's Head » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:30 pm

bear wrote:The threads an interesting idea but the amount of people going out of their way to ruin it makes the whole exercise pointless.
Or you could argue it has proved that a consensus is not possible.

Yes?
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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by Hyperion » Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:26 pm

Veto:

Diddy Kong Racing
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Fire Emblem Awakening
Grim Fandango
Mega Man 2
Street Fighter II

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by BID0 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:49 pm

You should have to leave a game review, or a game that's better in its genre or something if you're going to veto. That way you can only veto if you've played it

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PostRe: Greatest games by consensus - Nominations closed, veto only
by rinks » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:51 pm

This idea of vetoing all games you haven't played, because otherwise you're endorsing their place on the list. It's bullshit. OR tried to do something different here. If everyone voted like that, all we'd end up with is a list of games that most people have played. Also, a universally admired, best game ever released would be axed if three people happened not to have owned the system it was released on.

You veto vomiters ought to recognise the more informed opinions of the people who have played the games, instead of inflicting your ignorance on the list. Bitches.

This is the death of intelligence

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