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Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:14 am
by Death's Head
Dual wrote:Not sure how pacman can be described as a puzzle game.



1. How do I get from one side of the maze to the other without walking across it. Need to work that out.
2. How can I somehow defeat the ghosts? If I eat enough pills, will that do it or will I simply OD?

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:22 am
by OrangeRakoon
Only got 7 right now:

Tetris
Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes
ChuChu Rocket!
Portal
Minesweeper
Kuru Kuru Kururin
Myst

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:20 pm
by Pedz
Tetris (GB)
Portal
Portal 2
Dr Robotniks Mean Bean Machine
Lemmings
Donkey Kong '94 (Surprising as I hadn't played it until this year.)

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:02 pm
by Labo Banana Split
Boom Blox (Wii)
Braid (360)
Monument Valley (Mobile)
Phoenix Wright (NDS)
Polarium (NDS)
Populous (PC)
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action (Multi)
Super Bomberman 2 (SNES)
Super Monkey Ball (GCN)
Wario Ware Inc: Mega Party Game$ (GCN)

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:17 pm
by Cheeky Devlin
Tetris - GB
Dr Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine - MD
Lemmings - PC/Amiga
Portal - PC
Portal 2 - PC
Puzzle Series Vol. 5: Slitherlink - DS (I fully expect I shall be the only person to vote for this, which is ridiculous as it's amazing and as addictive as crack)
Picross - DS
Lumines - PSP
Professor Layton and The Curious Village - DS
Phoenix Wright (The second one). - DS

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:27 pm
by Ironhide
Fries. Wedges. Crisps? wrote:Boom Blox (Wii)
Braid (360)
Monument Valley (Mobile)
Phoenix Wright (NDS)
Polarium (NDS)
Populous (PC)
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action (Multi)
Super Bomberman 2 (SNES)
Super Monkey Ball (GCN)
Wario Ware Inc: Mega Party Game$ (GCN)


The bolded ones aren't really puzzle games.

Phoenix Wright is a strange one to categorize though so I can kind of see how you'd call it a puzzler, I'd personally class it as a Visual Novel with puzzle elements (same as Professor Layton and 999).

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:29 pm
by OrangeRakoon
Bomberman has a puzzle mode doesn't it?

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:30 pm
by IAmTheSaladMan
I'm not a great lover of puzzle games in general but I do like the Lumines series, in particular Lumines 2 on PSP so consider that my nomination.

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:47 pm
by Ironhide
OrangeRakoon wrote:Bomberman has a puzzle mode doesn't it?


Possibly but I'm only familiar with the 'traditional 'battle mode, the Megadrive and Saturn versions had adventure modes but afaik they didn't involve puzzle solving.

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:52 pm
by OrangeRakoon
Seems like I imagined it up to be honest! I was sure there was a mode where you had limited bombs and had to lay them in the correct pattern... but the internet turns up nothing.

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:06 pm
by Jamo3103
Kuru Kuru Kururin (GBA)
Kururin Paradise (GBA)
Portal (PC)
Portal 2 (PC)
Tetris (Game Boy)
Tetris (Nintendo DS)
Lemmings (PC)
Rescue Rover (PC)
Thomas Was Alone (PC)
Papers Please (PC)

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:09 pm
by Pedz
Ironhide wrote:
Fries. Wedges. Crisps? wrote:Boom Blox (Wii)
Braid (360)
Monument Valley (Mobile)
Phoenix Wright (NDS)
Polarium (NDS)
Populous (PC)
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action (Multi)
Super Bomberman 2 (SNES)
Super Monkey Ball (GCN)
Wario Ware Inc: Mega Party Game$ (GCN)


The bolded ones aren't really puzzle games.

Phoenix Wright is a strange one to categorize though so I can kind of see how you'd call it a puzzler, I'd personally class it as a Visual Novel with puzzle elements (same as Professor Layton and 999).


Doesn't it also have point and click elements for when searching crime scenes etc?

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:45 pm
by Labo Banana Split
Ironhide wrote:
Fries. Wedges. Crisps? wrote:Boom Blox (Wii)
Braid (360)
Monument Valley (Mobile)
Phoenix Wright (NDS)
Polarium (NDS)
Populous (PC)
Scene It? Lights, Camera, Action (Multi)
Super Bomberman 2 (SNES)
Super Monkey Ball (GCN)
Wario Ware Inc: Mega Party Game$ (GCN)


The bolded ones aren't really puzzle games.

Phoenix Wright is a strange one to categorize though so I can kind of see how you'd call it a puzzler, I'd personally class it as a Visual Novel with puzzle elements (same as Professor Layton and 999).

I knew someone would call me out on this list. :lol:

In defence of my picks:
Monkey Ball, Wario Ware, Phoenix Wright and Bomberman have all been nominated by others.
From the OP:
SerialCeler wrote:As always, the definition is up to you, but here's what Wikipedia has to say:

Puzzle video games are a genre of video games that emphasise puzzle solving. The types of puzzles can test many problem-solving skills including logic, pattern recognition, sequence solving, and word completion. The player may have unlimited time or attempts to solve a puzzle, or there may be simple puzzles made difficult by having to complete them in real-time

Using this definition, Populous definitely qualifies.
And Scene It? is just a puzzle game for multiple people, although I'd say that's the most contentious game I've included. I'd doubt it'll matter much in the final standings though.

'Puzzle game' is certainly the most woolly of all the genres. I think it's interesting that Portal and its sequel have been included by many and none have found that contentious as it's a first-person game that involves firing things and requires you to solve puzzles to complete levels... which is pretty much the definition of an FPS. Portal doesn't have killing or ammo so it doesn't fit that genre neatly either but if you justify its inclusion based on the fact that you have to complete a series of puzzles to pass a level, well, you could use that justification to include thousands of other games as 'puzzle' games.

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:57 pm
by OrangeRakoon
Portal is definitely not an FPS and anyone who says it is is wrong

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:04 pm
by HSH28
Fries. Wedges. Crisps? wrote:'Puzzle game' is certainly the most woolly of all the genres. I think it's interesting that Portal and its sequel have been included by many and none have found that contentious as it's a first-person game that involves firing things and requires you to solve puzzles to complete levels... which is pretty much the definition of an FPS. Portal doesn't have killing or ammo so it doesn't fit that genre neatly either but if you justify its inclusion based on the fact that you have to complete a series of puzzles to pass a level, well, you could use that justification to include thousands of other games as 'puzzle' games.


Not really. I'd describe it as a game built around solving puzzles.

Not sure where you get puzzle solving as part of the definition of an FPS, pretty sure you'll find most FPS games contain absolutely no puzzle solving whatsoever. Something like Half Life 2 might contain limited puzzle elements but its clearly not a core of the game. Whereas Portal is built around solving puzzles, that's pretty much all you do in that game.

Strange that people have a problem with this categorisation.

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:05 pm
by HSH28
OrangeRakoon wrote:Portal is definitely not an FPS and anyone who says it is is wrong


This is wrong too.

It clearly is an FPS, you play in first person and you shoot portals. First Person Shooter. It's in the name.

This doesn't stop it being a Puzzle game as well as an FPS.

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:25 pm
by Labo Banana Split
HSH28 wrote:pretty sure you'll find most FPS games contain absolutely no puzzle solving whatsoever.

Could you give an example? Solving puzzles is pretty fundamental to almost every videogame genre.

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:43 pm
by HSH28
Fries. Wedges. Crisps? wrote:
HSH28 wrote:pretty sure you'll find most FPS games contain absolutely no puzzle solving whatsoever.

Could you give an example? Solving puzzles is pretty fundamental to almost every videogame genre.


Any Call of Duty game you'd care to name. Battlefield. Halo. Battlefront. It's almost harder to find a FPS game that contains legitimate puzzles than not.

Not quite sure what you count as puzzle solving, but I'm pretty sure its not 'fundamental' to many genres. Not sure if you are getting tactics and strategy mixed up with puzzles, because they aren't the same thing.

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:55 pm
by jiggles
The Talos Principle
The Swapper
Braid
Portal
SpaceChem
Stephen's Sausage Roll
Lumines
Tetris
Bejeweled
Professor Layton and the Curious Village

Just missed the cut:
TIS-100 (need to play more)
SHENZHEN I/O (only just came out)
Slitherlink
Picross e
Hitman Go
Lara Croft Go
Threes
Device 6

Re: GRecommends: Top 10 Puzzle games (nominate now, deadline 11 November)

Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:56 pm
by OldSoulCyborg
Fries. Wedges. Crisps? wrote:
HSH28 wrote:pretty sure you'll find most FPS games contain absolutely no puzzle solving whatsoever.

Could you give an example? Solving puzzles is pretty fundamental to almost every videogame genre.


Sure, a lot of games that aren't puzzle games have puzzles in them. Portal, however, doesn't just contain puzzles. It is about solving puzzles.