Guardian: "the 30-year economic betrayal dragging down Generation Y’s income"

OrangeRakoon wrote:It also has to be taken into account that the job market has changed to reflect the higher number of people going to university - many jobs that were once open to anyone now, almost arbitrarily, require a degree in order to even apply for. University is a fantastic experience and its great that so many people are now given that opportunity, but it has also become a source of necessary debt that previously did not exist.

I covered that.

Moggy wrote:Sure more Y’s will go to uni, but a lot of them have to in order to get the jobs that are available nowadays and they will end up with £30k of debt to do so.

Karl wrote:But Moggy, TigaSefi sometimes had to poop in a cold bathroom and wash his hands with cold water! We "generational jihadists" simply can't understand how inconvenient that was. Out of respect for him and his struggles we should stop talking about the disadvantages we face due to several decades of selfish housing policy, and instead hold a silent vigil for TigaSefi's icy ring. RIP in peace u were the angel of da outhouse, 2 cold 4 dis world

I actually have done ok out of things as I am only just in Gen Y. I own my own home, have a decent job without having gone to university and am about to finish a degree that I paid for under the old system and so am debt free. Pensions are a bit shitty, but that was my fault for not signing up for one back in the 90s and I have a terrible lifestyle so it probably wont be an issue for me.

Despite that, I do feel for people who are in their early 30s or 20s and for the next generation. There are plenty of crappy things they will have to put up with and no amount of stories of washing hands in cold outhouses changes that.

IT’S PURE HISTORICAL AMNESIA TO SAY THE BOOMERS HAD IT GOOD

"Has history ever been so casually rewritten as it is being today by Generation Whinge?

Have any of these people ever met someone who doesn’t work in the media? Who isn’t from a nice middle-class family where mummy and daddy are university graduates? Who grew up in a house their parents didn’t own? It would seem not. If these media commentators think the Boomers, this most ‘fortunate generation’, all went to Uni, got instant jobs and bought places to live, then the press is clearly even more out of touch than we feared...

...I hate to break it to the young-ish, but you are not a uniquely hard-done-by generation; in fact you have many, many things far easier than the Boomers did, and certainly than even older generations did. And what’s more you have it in your power to change how things are. Forget manufacturing spite against the old and demanding your ‘fair share’ of society’s wealth; instead create new wealth, new ideas, fashion a new, more productive society. The majority of Boomers fought hard to make a life: they migrated, trekked, slaved in naff jobs, handed wads of rent to irritating council people, spent hours cleaning, and often had no property to show for it at the end. And they did that for us. For you and me. Let the young now show some of the same self-determination as they wriggle free of ugly and misplaced generational envy and make some waves of their own."

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... uGY15yLSUk

Generation Whinge! :lol:

Spot-on!

I think it sums up how much of a self-absorbed shitposting twat Cal is that he missed THE strawberry floating POSTS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE HIS discussing that very article

P.S. All you strawberry floating do on here is whinge so what does that say about your generation

Irene Demova wrote:I think it sums up how much of a self-absorbed shitposting twat Cal is that he missed THE strawberry floating POSTS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE HIS discussing that very article

P.S. All you strawberry floating do on here is whinge so what does that say about your generation

I have him on ignore and have to say posts like this are much more amusing when you are not really sure what Cal has said. :lol:

Moggy wrote:
Irene Demova wrote:I think it sums up how much of a self-absorbed shitposting twat Cal is that he missed THE strawberry floating POSTS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE HIS discussing that very article

P.S. All you strawberry floating do on here is whinge so what does that say about your generation

I have him on ignore and have to say posts like this are much more amusing when you are not really sure what Cal has said.

It's quite nice without you, but I know you'll not be able to stay away for long. Still, I'll enjoy it while I can.

PS: Not bothered by the casual abuse or name-calling in Irene's post? That all okay with you?

Cal, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.
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No point in quoting me Cal, I am not listening.

Moggy wrote:
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No point in quoting me Cal, I am not listening.

#calfree

Drumstick wrote:#calfree

I would also recommend it :toot:

PunBuck McSquintil Christmas wrote:
Drumstick wrote:#calfree

I would also recommend it

I jumped on board yesterday. Had enough of his constant rudeness. I wonder if he does it IRL?

"Excuse me, do you have the time?"
*Cal glances to check that the question is aimed at him and then ignores said person*

To be fair Cal's colon is still frozen solid from those long winter nights of outhouse-shitting in the '50s and I think that actually goes some way towards explaining his behaviour.

Karl wrote:To be fair Cal's colon is still frozen solid from those long winter nights of outhouse-shitting in the '50s and I think that actually goes some way towards explaining his behaviour.

I'm sure Cal's colon has seen enough friction to warm it up since then.

:shifty:

Has anybody discussing the challenge of young independent living today claimed life was not also challenging in (literally) history? I certainly don't "envy" anyone.

Green Gecko wrote:Has anybody discussing the challenge of young independent living today claimed life was not also challenging in (literally) history? I certainly don't "envy" anyone.

You say that but they had it piss easy in the 1600s. Lazy strawberry floaters back then, in London they couldn't be bothered to put the heating on and so just set fire to the city to keep warm. strawberry float you Pepys, strawberry float you.

Moggy wrote: Pensions are a bit shitty, but that was my fault for not signing up for one back in the 90s and I have a terrible lifestyle so it probably wont be an issue for me.

Kind of envious. I am a strict vegetarian who does regular excercise, does not smoke or do drugs ever and only drinks a few units a week. I'm going to live to a hundred or something. :dread:

I'm thinking of taking up a lot of extreme sports when I turn fifty, so fingers crossed.

The spiked article makes some good points but loses it for me when the writer just tell generation y to just change the world.

Because that's so easy.

Cal wrote:
IT’S PURE HISTORICAL AMNESIA TO SAY THE BOOMERS HAD IT GOOD

"Has history ever been so casually rewritten as it is being today by Generation Whinge?

Have any of these people ever met someone who doesn’t work in the media? Who isn’t from a nice middle-class family where mummy and daddy are university graduates? Who grew up in a house their parents didn’t own? It would seem not. If these media commentators think the Boomers, this most ‘fortunate generation’, all went to Uni, got instant jobs and bought places to live, then the press is clearly even more out of touch than we feared...

...I hate to break it to the young-ish, but you are not a uniquely hard-done-by generation; in fact you have many, many things far easier than the Boomers did, and certainly than even older generations did. And what’s more you have it in your power to change how things are. Forget manufacturing spite against the old and demanding your ‘fair share’ of society’s wealth; instead create new wealth, new ideas, fashion a new, more productive society. The majority of Boomers fought hard to make a life: they migrated, trekked, slaved in naff jobs, handed wads of rent to irritating council people, spent hours cleaning, and often had no property to show for it at the end. And they did that for us. For you and me. Let the young now show some of the same self-determination as they wriggle free of ugly and misplaced generational envy and make some waves of their own."

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... uGY15yLSUk

Generation Whinge! Spot-on!

Nobody thinks that. The point is people didn't HAVE to go to uni back in the day to make a good living. And the ones that did didn't have to pay for it.

The biggest issue really is the price of housing. And why does that exist? Not enough houses. People with money buy houses, rent them out, make more money, buy more houses. What a great system. And who are the people with the money and houses? Oh yeah... the people who bought them when they were affordable.

Fade wrote:The biggest issue really is the price of housing. And why does that exist? Not enough houses. People with money buy houses, rent them out, make more money, buy more houses. What a great system. And who are the people with the money and houses? Oh yeah... the people who bought them when they were affordable.

Not enough houses....too many people too. Can't expect to have the level of immigration we have and for prices to not shoot up. There are both supply side and demand side factors causing house price inflation and rent inflation.

On reflection, I would agree that the biggest problem facing people today is the prices of housing. The cost of university study is a problem, but with more people going it has to be funded. I know that people can rack up fairly big debts as a result, but you only start paying this back when your earnings reach a certain level, which wouldn't really be a problem if housing was more affordable.

Guardian: "the 30-year economic betrayal dragging down Generation Y’s income"

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