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PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Glowy69** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:34 pm

Lordy.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Parksey** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:36 pm

HSH28 wrote:
[iup=3516134]Parksey[/iup] wrote:But, yeah, I'd stick Killzone 2 above it in terms of single player. And Resistance 2. And Bioshock 2 as well. All have better campaigns, with better "stories" too. All weren't universally praised as the best thing ever, but they all comfortably beat Halo 4.

Killzone 2 does not have a better SP campaign than Halo 4. And Resistance 2...what on earth are you smoking?

The one thing Halo 4 does better than those games is vehicles - no FPS really does vehicles as good as Halo.

On everything else, I feel Halo 4 dropped the ball. The new weapons aren't as satisfying as Resistance 2's arsenal, for example. The new enemies are bullet sponges and are a real chore to fight (unlike the more humanoid Chimera and Helghast people-things... which were not a patch on Elites, admittedly, but we aren't really talking about the Covenant). Killzone 2's story - if you can call it that - was more effective, better structured and was better suited to a FPS than Halo 4's, (seeing as it was set in a single city on a single military campaign it suited that style of FPS quite well).

Halo 4's story was a mess, which might function as a piece of expanded universe lore but did not function well under the sole limits of being a videogame narrative. Heck, Resistance 2's story is clearer and better done too.

What does Halo 4 do better, apart from the vehicles? In my eyes, I enjoyed Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 more. Both aren't classics, but I had more fun playing their single player campaigns.

You obviously left out Bioshock 2 as well, so clearly the whole thing is subjective anyway, as you must agree somewhat with that choice.

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The hate on Halo 4 has gone maximum GRcade hyperbole. It wasn't amazing by any stretch but an easy 7/8 out of 10, the story line has been gooseberry fool in every Halo so for me that doesn't affect the game at all.

Again the multiplayer wasn't as good as that of Reach but the 'perks' really didn't affect the game greatly.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **HSH28** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:12 pm

[iup=3516153]Parksey[/iup] wrote:What does Halo 4 do better, apart from the vehicles?

Than Resistance 2? Absolutely everything, that game was awful.

Than Killzone 2, at least the AI and control. I'd say probably the level design too.

Bioshock 2 I never really played, I know its not supposed to be as good as the first game, but I can't really comment on how it compares to Halo 4.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Parksey** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:17 pm

[iup=3516154]Hime[/iup] wrote:The hate on Halo 4 has gone maximum GRcade hyperbole. It wasn't amazing by any stretch but an easy 7/8 out of 10, the story line has been gooseberry fool in every Halo so for me that doesn't affect the game at all.

Again the multiplayer wasn't as good as that of Reach but the 'perks' really didn't affect the game greatly.

Halo 4 is, as a package, a 7/10 or an 8/10 game. It's solid enough but lacks any real sign of greatness, and isn't really a must-buy unless you're a fan of the series.

Personally, I think it's single player on its own, is 5/10 or 6/10 at the most. There's nothing mechnically wrong with it, it looks and sounds pretty good and is diverting enough for eight hours, I suppose.

The problem is, none of it is really any better than that - it's just so average and, as I keep saying, just a little bit dull. And it's a solid-but-average-and-really-a-little-bit-dull as a game, not just as a Halo game.

Indeed, as I said, if this was a random FPS without the name attached, what in the single player would get people talking, in 2012? You'd probably say it did vehicles really well. What else would you say about it if wasn't Halo? You'd probably just label it as an identikit FPS. There's nothing noteworthy or remarkable in its single player.

As a package, you'd probably say it had a good multiplayer and it had the wealth of online options going for it and, yes, you're right, this does elevated the game as a whole to 7/10 territory. I don't think you mention the single player as something the game had going for it though. I honestly don't think Halo 4 would attract much attention or acclaim at all, had it not had the name attached. And I don't feel that is something you can say about 2, 3, ODST and Reach. Even with 2's lacklustre campaign, you'd say it had the most comprehensive multiplayer on the Xbox. Halo 4... just feels very flat and average. A classic 5/10 or 6/10 game.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **HSH28** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:23 pm

I think if Halo 4 had been a new game and primarily just SP, it would have got fawned over, probably getting 9/10 in most places.

Personally I'd rate it a 7 or 8, significantly better than 2 and somewhere in the region (maybe slightly worse) than 3.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Parksey** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:24 pm

[iup=3516173]HSH28[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3516153]Parksey[/iup] wrote:What does Halo 4 do better, apart from the vehicles?

Than Resistance 2? Absolutely everything, that game was awful.

Than Killzone 2, at least the AI and control. I'd say probably the level design too.

Bioshock 2 I never really played, I know its not supposed to be as good as the first game, but I can't really comment on how it compares to Halo 4.

For Killzone, I'd give you that Halo 4 has better A.I. on the Elites but from what I played of Halo 4, it was about 80% Prometheans. Were the Prometheans that much different than the Helghast people to fight against? Were they any better? They certainly felt more frustrating, regardless of how intelligent they were.

Controls are probably subjective. Killzone's a lot weightier and I had no problems with it. Neither do I have any reason to fault Halo's controls (which are pretty much faultless). Killzone handles different, but that's not a crime.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Kanbei** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:11 am

I liked Halo 4's one player :shifty:

I mean it wasn't as good as Halo 3's but i still thought it was great. The multiplayer on the other hand...

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Buffalo** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:49 am

Parksey are you not confusing Resistance 2 with Resistance 3? Because Resistance 3 is comfortably better than most Halos, whereas Resistance 2 was a bit gooseberry fool.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Bertie** » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:36 am

[iup=3516263]Buffalo[/iup] wrote:Parksey are you not confusing Resistance 2 with Resistance 3? Because Resistance 3 is comfortably better than most Halos, whereas Resistance 2 was a bit gooseberry fool.

I was thinking the same. Resistance 3 was great, and a genuine surprise when I played it, knowing very little about it.

I loved halo 1-3, including ODST and Reach. Someone earlier talked about the human element and how Spartans weren't superheroes, which reach did well, I couldn't agree more. Halo 4, despite the wait and the hype, just didn't deliver for me, for the reasons people have mentioned. Sadly, I think halo is almost at saturation point with MS becoming more reliant on it.

I think Halo 4's campaign would have been alright if it wasn't for those strawberry floating awful new enemies that warped about all the time and gave no indication of how much damage they had taken until they were actually dead.

The multiplayer, well a lot of what I don't like about Destiny is what I didn't like about Halo 4. Larger team sizes, practically they removed shields. Weapon drops can be called in rather than having strategic weapon placements and respawns on the map for people to fight over. Yeah these games just require less skill and are full of frantic, spray and pray headless chicken generic bullshit.

Please remove all this gooseberry fool for Halo 5 and go back to what made the Halo series great. It's great to add lots of customisation elements and unlockables, but it needs to be cosmetic stuff only to keep it a level playing field.

I'm happy about the removal of armor abilities but I think Reach showed that you can have them in and still have a good shooter..

For me Halo Reach was the pinnacle of Halo campaigns and Halo 3 was the pinnacle for it's multiplayer.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Photek** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:05 pm

[iup=3516263]Buffalo[/iup] wrote:Parksey are you not confusing Resistance 2 with Resistance 3? Because Resistance 3 is comfortably better than most Halos, whereas Resistance 2 was a bit gooseberry fool.

Most halo's? which means it's better than more than half of all Halo games. So it's better than 4 of the 6 (8 if you're including non FPS games) at least. Care to name them?

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Buffalo** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:02 pm

Sure. 2, 3, 4 and Reach. But you've not played Resistance 3 and are an enormous Halo fanboy, so there's not much here to debate with.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **HSH28** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:23 pm

[iup=3517079]Buffalo[/iup] wrote:Sure. 2, 3, 4 and Reach. But you've not played Resistance 3 and are an enormous Halo fanboy, so there's not much here to debate with.

What ever games Photek has or hasn't played is irrelevant, I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't share your opinion about all of those games.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Seven** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:34 pm

opinions lol

I like Halo 4. Not my favourite Halo game granted but it was enjoyable enough. Do agree with new enemies being crap, though. Oddly I also liked Halo 2 as well.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Photek** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:40 pm

[iup=3517079]Buffalo[/iup] wrote:Sure. 2, 3, 4 and Reach. But you've not played Resistance 3 and are an enormous Halo fanboy, so there's not much here to debate with.

Read reviews, you're debating with popular opinion.

NickSCFC · PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **NickSCFC** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:56 pm

[iup=3517099]Photek[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3517079]Buffalo[/iup] wrote:Sure. 2, 3, 4 and Reach. But you've not played Resistance 3 and are an enormous Halo fanboy, so there's not much here to debate with.

Read reviews, you're debating with popular opinion.

And how many times have you said review scores didn't matter :lol:

Regardless, the Resistance series is gash :lol:

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **Photek** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:01 pm

[iup=3517113]NickSCFC[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3517099]Photek[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3517079]Buffalo[/iup] wrote:Sure. 2, 3, 4 and Reach. But you've not played Resistance 3 and are an enormous Halo fanboy, so there's not much here to debate with.

Read reviews, you're debating with popular opinion.

And how many times have you said review scores didn't matter

Regardless, the Resistance series is gash

When have I ever said the sentence 'review score don't matter'? I think you're confusing me with someone else.

[iup=3517113]NickSCFC[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3517099]Photek[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3517079]Buffalo[/iup] wrote:Sure. 2, 3, 4 and Reach. But you've not played Resistance 3 and are an enormous Halo fanboy, so there's not much here to debate with.

Read reviews, you're debating with popular opinion.

And how many times have you said review scores didn't matter

Regardless, the Resistance series is gash

You shut your strawberry floating whore mouth. Resistance 3 is the best fps of the last 5 years. Resistance 1 and 2 are dogshit, though I'll agree, especially 2.

PostRe: Halo 5: Guardians. Fall 2015 by **HSH28** » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:45 pm

[iup=3517126]chalkitdown[/iup] wrote:You shut your strawberry floating whore mouth. Resistance 3 is the best fps of the last 5 years.

Not on your life was it.

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