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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:32 pm 
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FORUMITES TV'S...THIS IS A HELPFUL GUIDE SO ANY POTENTIAL BUYERS FIND OUT WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW FROM PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY OWN THE SETS, NOT THESE REVIEWS FROM PEOPLE ON FORUMS WHO DONT EVEN HAVE THE DAMN THINGS.

FORUMITES AND THEIR TV'S;

Glowy - Panasonic TH37LZD70 & LG 32LX2R
Lewis - Panasonic TH42PX70
Tragic - Sony KDL32D3000
Jazzem - Sony KDL20S3000
Rik - Samsung LE19R86BDX, Samsung LE40F71, Toshiba 37WLT58
jamcc - Panasonic TH42PX70 & Sony KDL40V3000
Icecold - Panasonic 26 & 32LMD70
Exxy - LG 26LC2R
NBK - Sony 32D3000
Count Nood - Toshiba 32AV505D
CoolDawn - Toshiba 32WLT58
Petercrisp - Samsung LE26R41
bigcheez2k3 - Philips PFL5522D & LG M198WA & LG 42LG7700
Ironhide - Toshiba 32XV505DB
hammsandwich - Panasonic 37LZD70
uglyferret - Samsung LE40M87
Huw Jazz - LG M228WD
Madness - Samsung LE19R88BD
F-Heonix - Sony KDL40V3000
Echo - Toshiba 32AV55D
Smurphy UK - Samsung LE19R71B
rawandpeace - Panasonic TH37PX80
silvashadow -
Shime Waza - Samsung LE40M86BD.
Nathanbrains - Samsung LE19R88
Raxicori - Samsung LE19R88
NickSCFC - Samsung LE32R88



Its back The old thread was old and out of date..so I will be producing a ongoing thread which we will update as and when we create more info.

In the meantime, post away with your questions, and any thoughts on the new thread.

Regards,

Glowy

HIGH DEFINITION TELEVISON

What is it?

4 times the amount of detail on HD broadcasts (A broadcast of 720 lines)

What do I need?

A HD Ready TV (explained later on)
A HD source (see below).
The relevant HD cables.

Where can I get it?

Sky
Virgin
High Definition DVD (HD DVD/ Blu Ray)

Is it available on Freeview?

No not yet, potentially, but not until the analogue signal has been switched off at the earliest.

How much does it cost?

SKY HD - £150 from Sky (£60 install for exisitng, £30 for new customers). £75 from a retailer, install charge still applies.
£10 per month for HD mix.
Potential installation costs (£60)

V+ ? (anyone)

How do I know if my TV is HD ready?

Your TV will be HD ready if:

It is capable of displaying a minimum of 720 line progressively.
Has a HDMI/DVI and component inputs.
Is HDCP enabled (high definition copy protection) This stops illegal copying of HD material.

What is this 720/1080 malarkey?

High definition is broadcast in 3 different formats

720 progressive
1080 interlaced
1080 progressive

All broadcasts at the moment are done in 720p, if you have a 1080 set then you can take advantage of the 1080i setting as it won’t have to downscale the picture to your TV’s native resolution.

Noting is yet broadcast in 1080p. The only products that use it are HD DVD and the PS3.

For a set to be 1080p ready it needs to have a native pixel resolution of 1920x1080. A list of 1080 ready sets will be listed further down the page.

What does the specs all mean?

Pixel resolution – This is the amount of pixels on your TV screen, the more pixels the sharper the picture (in theory) though manufacturers now add their own picture elements (bravia engine/ pixel plus/ XD engine etc) which enhances the picture further.

There are 3 types of pixel resolution you will come across:

1366x768 – primarily found on nearly every LCD TV.
1024x768 – found on plasma TV’s.
1920x1080 – found on 1080 ready sets.

Contrast Ratio – This determines the sharpness of the picture, the higher then number then the sharper the picture tends to be, blacks will look very sharp and whites will be nice and bright, low ratios tend to create ‘washed’ out looks and the colours can ‘bleed’ into each other.

So what's Dynamic Contrast and Native Contrast?
When buying a new HDTV you have probably looked into the different contrast ratios on each set. However, you need to be careful when looking because many LCD TVs will quote dynamic contrast ratios whereas plasma screens will quote native contrast ratios. So this is where big LCD manufacturers (Samsung started it all off) have been misleading the customers with these high numbers.

The way they measure dynamic contrast ratio is the key to these high numbers:

They will start with a black screen with the backlight dimmed right down and end with a white screen with the backlight turned right up to full brightness. This measurement between the two will determine the dynamic contrast ratio.

The native contrast ratio is measured with the white and black on the same screen so backlight control is not a factor.

Typically an LCDs native contrast will be around 1200:1 - 1500:1. Whereas a plasma screen will be between 10000:1 - 15000:1 (some new Panasonics are 30000:1).

THANKS TO RAWANDPEACE FOR THIS INFO.

In general plasma TV’s tend to have a higher contrast ratio which is why most of them give off a better picture when it comes to watching movies and darker programmes. Be wary of the specifications though as many companies use the wrd ‘dynamic’ which basically means the ratio isn’t what it says.



LCD vs. PLASMA – which is the best and what is right for you?

This is just general knowledge and does not apply to EVERY television available.

LCD – Liquid Crystal Display

Pros –

• Exceptional brightness and sharpness of picture quality.
• Excellent a producing razor sharp images on slower moving images
• Increasingly better sets becoming available at very low prices
• Massive amount of choice.

Cons -


• Response rate can be dodgy, what this basically means is that if a programme is being watched that contains fast moving images, the TV can leave a kind of ghosting – that is the TV not refreshing the images fast enough. More sets are becoming available now though which deal with this problem.
• Contrast Ratio’s, which determine the sharpness of the picture tend to be considerably lower than plasma, what this means is that the colours can tend to look washed out, i.e. blacks look greyish and whites look dull instead of sharp.
• The screen is very soft like a PC monitor so if any of you have little children then it could be a cause for concern, they scratch and damage very easy.
• They can be quite poor for lower definition programmes, things that have been around for a while, because the programme wasn’t recorded with any new (ish) equipment, the image can look very pixellated.

PLASMA

Pros –

• Excellent response rate means plasma TV’s are ideal for fast moving programmes like football and other sporting events
• The contrast ratio, unlike LCD’s tends to be much higher which result in much crisper looking colours, some of the top end TV’s (pioneer) standard definition images look amazing.
• The screen is very strong which makes the problems of tiny hands scratching the screen almost non existent.

Cons –

• Increasingly limited choice, many manufacturers don’t produce decent plasma’s and have moved over to the LCD camp.
• They will eventually become obsolete, LCD’s will become the industry standard eventually.
• The rear of a plasma can get exceptionally hot. What this means I don’t know but something to consider if the TV is being put into a corner or wherever.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:42 pm 
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Could this be stickied as well please/

Do people want me to do a thread all again, or just move the old GR one over to here?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:05 pm 
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Copy the GR one and tweak it slightly.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:07 pm 
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Tweak it how? DO you still want the lists of TV that forumites have? It may take a while Ive got a lot of work to be doing and had a bit of home trouble, but it will appear.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:47 pm 
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I'd rather you got rid of the TV lists (They were useless). Keep the handy explanations of LCD and Plasma, and possibly do a roundup of the best TVs?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:21 pm 
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Cheers for bringing this back Glowy. I was gonna do last night but thought I would leave it to you, seeing as it's your thread!!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:23 pm 
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There would be trouble if you had... I could imagine you pimping your Samsung TV's on here. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:32 pm 
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glowy69 wrote:
Tweak it how? DO you still want the lists of TV that forumites have? It may take a while Ive got a lot of work to be doing and had a bit of home trouble, but it will appear.


You could always keep them and hide them in one of the new 'condenser' boxes so then anyone who doesn't want to see them doesn't have to. Of course if no-one votes yes to them then you might as well chuck them!

Hope the home trouble isn't too serious.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:34 pm 
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Thanks mate, what is a condense thingy-ma-bob?

Nothing to serious I can't sort out, first big argument with the GF thats all, just not really to great with the arguing stuff.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:35 pm 
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Condense is essentially a spoiler box, if you want to see it you press open. It's quite handy.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:39 pm 
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Madness wrote:
Condense is essentially a spoiler box, if you want to see it you press open. It's quite handy.


Yep, Garth's Live Marketplace thread uses them in the first page if you want an example.

glowy69 wrote:
Nothing to serious I can't sort out, first big argument with the GF thats all, just not really to great with the arguing stuff.


Ah thats ok then. I'm crap at the arguing stuff as well, I just tend to keep quiet until it all blows over, usually works but not very fun.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:16 pm 
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Glowy I was never added the the TV owners list, I got me one of them Samsung LE19R88BD tellys.

Other than that keep up the good work.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:56 pm 
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|I'll take this opportunity to thank glowy for recommending me Monster Screen Clean, it's worked a treat on my TV screen :) And my PC monitor for that matter

Thank you sir! *Salute*


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:59 pm 
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Raxicori wrote:
Glowy I was never added the the TV owners list, I got me one of them Samsung LE19R88BD tellys.

Other than that keep up the good work.


The same applies for me. I bought the Samsung LE19R88BD a few months back and it's been working like a dream so far.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:35 pm 
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Jazzem wrote:
|I'll take this opportunity to thank glowy for recommending me Monster Screen Clean, it's worked a treat on my TV screen :) And my PC monitor for that matter

Thank you sir! *Salute*


I will use this as a quote next time people accuse me of trying to rip them off by recommending different cables, Ive had my screen clean for 18 months and its good stuff. :D


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:10 pm 
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Awesome to see the thread back glowy! :D

Edit - page 2!? :(


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:28 pm 
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I know, we have to start all over again, just in time for the new range of Tv's though.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:48 pm 
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glowy69 wrote:
Oh and I never thought I would say this but after studying the range of Samsung and Sony sets I now have to say that if you are going to be watching Blu Ray or HD DVD movies on it then...the...series 6 Samsung be better than both the W4000 and the V4000.

I was watching At Worlds End on it at work yesterday and especially on the dark scenes the Sonys completely break down and start displaying a very grainy image, whereas the Samsungs do not. :? The normal TV however is better on the Sonys still than the Smasungs. It just shocked me thats all.

But both pale into significance when viewed on the Vieras. 8)


glowy, I may be getting one of these at the weekend:

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http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/produc ... ation#spec [/url]

You're advice and opinion would be appreciated before I spunk £2500 on one. Worth the money?


Honestly....no.

As much as I love Pionneer its way too much money for what you get, unless you want the best best bestest piture Id go for the Panasonic PZ85.

Its just a huge amount of money for a TV that isnt a £1000 better imo.

Hope that helps.


cheers Glowy. Just bought this today:

http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/product/470252/PANASONIC-TH-50PZ80B

It was a bitch to get home, but am well chuffed with it so far.

Got it for £1300, so it was half the price of the pioneer. and I just couldn't see what souble my money was getting me.

The GF who was against the Pioneer from the start played the whole "you could get this one today you know!"


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:49 am 
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Splendid, its an awesome TV, do it a favour and put on a Pixar film through your PS3 or something too. Ive never seen an image so clear.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:48 am 
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Yeah, I put Planet Earth on it yesterday and it looked great! no Judder that I used to get on my old TV. The picture so far has been phenomenal. Even normal Sky looks pretty decent, but Im going to have to upgrade to Sky HD at some point.

Do you know any good places I can go to, so I can change the picture settings to their optimal settings?

I keep playing with the colour and picture settings, and keep making it look worse. :lol:


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