NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread

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by Rax » Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:55 pm

jawafour wrote:Looking at new TVs, I continue to be amazed at how few HDMI sockets they have. I reckon I'd want five which can't be that unusual.

Thats what always amazes me. If I were to get a TV for my games room Id have a PC, Wii U, Blu Ray player, Chromecast, RPI and NES Mini to plug in. The sitting room has a Sky box, HTPC and a Blu Ray player. Yet most TVs seem to have one or two HDMI ports, seeing one with three is a bit of a rarity. I assume they need to pay a license fee for each port they add, so more ports is more license fees.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by Ad7 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:05 pm

Yep, everything like that carries a licence fee.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by Lagamorph » Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:10 pm

I'm surprised they don't just have an empty slot for HDMI expansion cards.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by Red 5 stella » Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:41 pm

I'm looking for a 4k TV with HDR, minimum 43'' screen size, minimum 3 HDMI slots, willing to spend around £500, any suggestions please?

Are all new TV's ok with input lag and gaming? I really don't fully understand Ultra HD, HDR etc, will want the TV to work well with a PS4 pro does TV need ultra HD or HDR?

Thanks in advance.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by KK » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:40 pm

You'll find this quite useful - all the TVs Rtings.com has tested this year (updated 8th September 2017):

Rtings.com (USA Model codes; UK names may differ) wrote:
*Prices as of 22nd June 2017 and for the 55'' model

BEST OVERALL 4K TELEVISION 2017 (Samsung, Sony and LG tested)

LG C7 OLED: 8.7/10 (£2,999)
Sony A1E OLED: 8.6/10 (£3,499)
Sony X930E LED: 8.3/10 (£2,199)
Sony X940E LED: 8.2/10
Sony X900E LED: 8.2/10 (£1,399)
Samsung MU9000 LED: 8.0/10
Samsung Q9F QLED: 8.0/10 (£3,899)
Samsung Q7F QLED: 8.0/10 (£2,299)
Samsung MU8000 LED: 7.9/10
Sony X850E LED: 7.9/10 (£1,279)
Samsung MU8500: 7.6/10
LG SJ8500 LED: 7.6/10
Samsung MU7000 LED: 7.5/10 (49'' £953)
Sony X800E LED: 7.5/10 (49'' £589)
Samsung MU6300 LED: 7.4/10 (£899)
Sony X720E: 7.4/10 (£739)
LG UJ7700 LED: 7.4/10
LG UJ6300 UHD LED: 7.1/10

BEST RESPONSE TIMES FOR GAMING

LG UJ6300 LED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 11.4 ms; 4K & HDR: 12ms
LG UJ7700 LED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 11.5 ms; 4K & HDR: 11.3ms - BEST PERFORMING IN 4K
LG SJ8500 LED: 1080p @ 60Hz & 4K HDR: 15ms
Sony X720E: 1080p @ 60Hz & 4K HDR: 19.8ms
Samsung MU6300 LED: 1080p @ 60Hz & 4K HDR: 20.2ms
Samsung MU7000 LED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 21.0ms; 4K & HDR: 21.8ms
LG C7 OLED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 21.3ms; 4K & HDR: 21.1ms
Samsung Q9F QLED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 21.3ms; 4K & HDR: 22ms
Samsung MU8500: 1080p @ 60Hz: 23.9ms; 4k @ HDR: 22.8ms
Samsung MU8000 LED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 24.2ms: 4K & HDR: 24.2ms
Samsung MU9000 LED: 1080p @ 60Hz and 4K & HDR: 24.2ms
Samsung Q7F QLED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 24.3ms; 4K & HDR: 24.4ms
Sony X900E LED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 31.5ms; 4K & HDR: 34.2ms
Sony X850E LED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 31.8ms; 4K & HDR: 34.3ms - WORST PERFORMING IN 4K
Sony X800E LED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 32.9ms; 4K & HDR: 34.2ms
Sony X940E LED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 40.7ms; 4K & HDR: 23.9ms
Sony X930E LED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 42.3ms; 4K & HDR: 25.8ms
Sony A1E OLED: 1080p @ 60Hz: 47.4ms; 4K & HDR: 30.7ms

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Red 5 stella wrote:I'm looking for a 4k TV with HDR, minimum 43'' screen size, minimum 3 HDMI slots, willing to spend around £500, any suggestions please?

Are all new TV's ok with input lag and gaming? I really don't fully understand Ultra HD, HDR etc, will want the TV to work well with a PS4 pro does TV need ultra HD or HDR?

Thanks in advance.

To take full advantage of the PS4 Pro you'll need a TV that supports both 4K Ultra HD and HDR, which pretty much the vast majority of new TVs this year do.

Input lag can vary dramatically. My TV has a relatively high input lag compared to TVs released this year (30-50ms) but I've not noticed any problems playing anything yet. Most TVs for 2017 fall well below this anyway.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by HSH28 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:03 pm

Red 5 stella wrote:I'm looking for a 4k TV with HDR, minimum 43'' screen size, minimum 3 HDMI slots, willing to spend around £500, any suggestions please?

Are all new TV's ok with input lag and gaming? I really don't fully understand Ultra HD, HDR etc, will want the TV to work well with a PS4 pro does TV need ultra HD or HDR?

Thanks in advance.


The following might be worth a read, even though most of the TVs won't be anywhere near your budget, it should give you an idea of what you can get and what more expensive TVs offer...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... r-gaming_1

Basically anything under 50ms in terms of lag should be fine, UHD is 4K and HDR is about displaying colours more accurately and allowing the TV to display brighter and darker scenes.

Then there are several different HDR formats that TVs may or may not display (basically most will do HDR10 and what is going to be the broadcast format HLG, only a few do Dolby Vision), then you will need HDMI 2.0 HDMI sockets, last year there were HDR TVs which might have only had a single HDMI 2.0 socket. Not sure about this year but its something to consider.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by Grumpy David » Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:41 am

Do Rtings not bother to review Panasonic TVs? The 2017 TV rankings is only Samsung, Sony and LG.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by KK » Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:56 am

They have an extremely limited precence in the USA; they're not popular at all.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by Knoyleo » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:01 pm

Are Phillips any good or no?

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/7508976

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by darksideby182 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:05 pm

Knoyleo wrote:Are Phillips any good or no?

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/7508976

Pretty sure they sold off there TV division a few years ago so it's under licence by somebody else.

Probably worth have a dig around on hotukdeals threads for a bit of info as they did get posted often.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by Hime » Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:31 pm

I need to pick up a new TV for the Sky installation on Wednesday, I'm thinking about 40' and a quick search suggests about £500 is what I can expect to pay.

Is there much difference at this price range or should I just go with a manufacturer that I like?

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by Ad7 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:37 am

Going to pull the pin on getting the tv in the next month I think. Being that it's going to be almost as big as the wall it's going on, does anyone know if a dry wall can definitely take the weight or if it needs extra bracing? I've seen talk of studs but to be honest I don't really understand it enough to trust I'd do it properly. Probably going to pay someone to wall mount it and route the cables through the wall for me too. Do companies like John Lewis order that and do a good job?

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by darksideby182 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:51 am

Ad7 - make sure you find the studs but it may even need extra bracing all depends on the studs and weight , not the clearest answer but hopefully it helps.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by Ad7 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:52 am

Thanks, may have to get someone round before hand.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by Poser » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:02 am

The plaster in our new build house was/is really soft. I'm really unsure about the job I've done with just a 32" tv, so I'd definitely get a real man in for anything bigger.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by BID0 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:18 am

Poser wrote:The plaster in our new build house was/is really soft. I'm really unsure about the job I've done with just a 32" tv, so I'd definitely get a real man in for anything bigger.

Should be okay, TV's are quite light these days.

If you're really worried about it then just check behind the screen every day (is the top part of the bracket moving further away from the wall? Any cracks in the plaster around your screw points?). Then check every few days, then every week, then every month and if it's going to come away it would have by that point in time.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by Poser » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:25 am

BID0 wrote:
Poser wrote:The plaster in our new build house was/is really soft. I'm really unsure about the job I've done with just a 32" tv, so I'd definitely get a real man in for anything bigger.

Should be okay, TV's are quite light these days.

If you're really worried about it then just check behind the screen every day (is the top part of the bracket moving further away from the wall? Any cracks in the plaster around your screw points?). Then check every few days, then every week, then every month and if it's going to come away it would have by that point in time.


Cheers - it's actually an old TV, so is quite a bit heavier :slol:

But it's been up a few months and doesn't seem to have moved, so fingers crossed. There was no way the supplied rawlplugs were going to hold, so I ended up using these bad boys :datass:

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by BID0 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:33 am

Yeh they look good, they expand behind the plaster which should help spread the pull weight around the fixing holes. The only thing you really have to worry about it someone "accidentally" pulling it off the wall, but people don't tend to get that close to a TV screen that's fixed up on a wall - unless it's children but they can break anything no matter how secure or protected something is :slol:

I've got mine in brick, a 50" plasma from 10-11 years ago. I can lift it up and take it down on my own, but it's still pretty heavy. I fixed it up at my old house with the original recommendation of 8 fixing screws but that turned out to be overkill and it's up with just 4 screws at my current house.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by Ad7 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:09 am

I've got some of those wall anchors, I used them when putting the cooker hood up. No way I'd trust it to hold a massive tv up because while it spreads the weight, in the end the dry wall can only take so much and will still fail.

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread
by Poser » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:21 am

Ad7 wrote:I've got some of those wall anchors, I used them when putting the cooker hood up. No way I'd trust it to hold a massive tv up because while it spreads the weight, in the end the dry wall can only take so much and will still fail.


Yeah, definitely. If I had a TV worth more than £500 I doubt I'd trust it to wall full stop, TBH.

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