Denster presents: The 4K/8K HDR HDTV Thread

PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread by KK » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:43 pm

Sony have released a statement on a couple of their TVs from last year:

Sony Europe wrote:Notice for free repair: KD-55XD9305 and KD-65XD9305 TVs

Dear valued BRAVIA customers,

Some KD-55XD9305 and KD-65XD9305 TVs may experience an issue where they will not power on due to a problem with the power supply circuit board.

To address this issue—subject to the terms and conditions of the product guarantee applicable to these models—we will repair your affected TV, free of charge, until the 31st January 2021.

Thank you for your continued support and we apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.

Affected models

KD-55XD9305
KD-65XD9305

Resolution

If you have an affected model that will not power on, please contact our product support team for assistance. If their diagnosis confirms that the issue is caused by the power supply circuit board failure, your affected TV will be repaired, free of charge, subject to the guidelines stipulated above.

Call us: +44 (0) 2073652810
Opening hours: Monday to Friday, 9am-6pm.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this TV:

https://www.johnlewis.com/lg-43uj635v-l ... k/p3222595

Super Dragon 64 wrote:Does anyone have any thoughts on this TV:

https://www.johnlewis.com/lg-43uj635v-l ... k/p3222595

Ad7 wrote:4k at 43 inches is probably pointless thh. Can you afford a bigger screen?

PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread by KK » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:02 pm

Of their 4K LCD range, it's the 3rd cheapest they do:

UJ750V
UJ701V
UJ670V
UJ650V
UJ635V
UJ634V
UJ630V

Feature set wise, it's absolutely fine. You've got Freeview Play and Freesat in there. There don't tend to be many, if any, reviews of these budget sets so my advice would be to go into a John Lewis/Currys and check it out for yourself to see how it compares to similar priced TVs. Worth noting it'll likely be sub £400 later in the year.

£400 these days will get you a phenomenal 1080p TV, but an average to poor 4K one (that could very easily be worse than the 1080p TV you currently own).

I'm limited by size so I don't want anything bigger than 45 inches for this purchase and I don't believe that 4K is pointless at that size. I'll check out other TVs in a store.

No doubt this has been posted before, but whether the higher resolution is worth it comes down to the size of the screen and the viewing distance. For a 43' 4k screen you'd want to sit no further than about 5' away for it to be worthwhile.

Those LG sets are the RGBW panels I believe, not that great from reviews.

PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread by KK » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:33 am

Hot on the heels of Sony and Samsung's faltering tele's, LG is the latest manufacturer once again to feel the wrath of annoyed customers. The latest firmware just released in the USA, and here for a number of weeks, has drastically dimmed the brightness on HDR gaming through their OLED models from 2016. It's so dark it kind of makes the HDR aspect pretty redundant. OLED TVs are already dimmer than an LCD, and this has only exacerbated the problem. Much like with the lag-time issue at the start of the year (LG OLED's had the worst of any major TV) a new petition has been launched to badger LG to now sort this out.

https://www.change.org/p/lg-electronics ... -customers

and reported by Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher ... 02ce0ccc13

This firmware was only billed as being an update to enable HLG HDR for broadcast TV (which doesn't exist yet anyway).

Unless it's absolutely necessary, my advice is never to update your firmware as soon as it becomes available, particularly if you're happy with the way it is currently performing. I know the reminder notices can get annoying, but they're just too prone to strawberry floating things up. For example on my TV, Sony drastically reduced the input lag issue only to then release a new firmware a couple months later that jacked it all the way back up again. They've since released another update that lowered it back down again. Now it didn't really matter to me much, but in those intervening months you're stuck with a product that suddenly probably isn't very good for something like a fighting game. And there's no way of rolling the firmware back.

When you're spending upwards of £1500 on the top spec TVs, I'm not surprised people are peeved. It's supposed to be the best. I do wonder if this dimming of the screen by LG has something to do with image retention though. It's barely a problem on LCD, but OLED has similar flaws to plasma. In fact from what I've seen it's actually worse. It's not permanent, but even when watching conventional TV the channel logo is prone to sticking around when you change channels.

Pulling the pin on finally upgrading from our 10 year old 1080p 40 inch Samsung this year.

Looking to get a 75 inch tv :nod:

I want most of that wall taken up :datass:

Ad7 wrote:Pulling the pin on finally upgrading from our 10 year old 1080p 40 inch Samsung this year.

Looking to get a 75 inch tv I want most of that wall taken up

Well Jell. Got at least another year with my TV before I can go for an upgrade.

I was watching TV at my mates house a few weeks back. Not sure of the model, but it was a 60" and connected to SkyQ.

It was really weird, like the frame rate was different to normal TV. I found it really distracting. Anybody else experienced this? (He couldn't notice the difference)

PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread by KK » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:53 am

Albear wrote:It was really weird, like the frame rate was different to normal TV. I found it really distracting. Anybody else experienced this? (He couldn't notice the difference)

Sounds like he could have some of the frame rate settings on the TV turned on, or set to High. Sony call theirs "MotionFlow" for example. It's designed to reduce image blur (for example on panning shots during sports). Some people don't mind it, others notice it immediately. Even today, modern TVs just aren't as good as CRT televisions for motion (or input lag).

There are other frame rate problems, such as "judder" on NowTV (which is due to the 50Hz/60Hz signal conversion) and 24fps content (films are designed to play back at this speed but many TVs surprisingly can't do it properly - you'll notice it most during the credits rolling, or if there's a news ticker type banner at the bottom of the screen).

KK wrote:
Albear wrote:It was really weird, like the frame rate was different to normal TV. I found it really distracting. Anybody else experienced this? (He couldn't notice the difference)

Sounds like he could have some of the frame rate settings on the TV turned on, or set to High. Sony call theirs "MotionFlow" for example. It's designed to reduce image blur (for example on panning shots during sports). Some people don't mind it, others notice it immediately. Even today, modern TVs just aren't as good as CRT televisions for motion (or input lag).

There are other frame rate problems, such as "judder" on NowTV (which is due to the 50Hz/60Hz signal conversion) and 24fps content (films are designed to play back at this speed but many TVs surprisingly can't do it properly - you'll notice it most during the credits rolling, or if there's a news ticker type banner at the bottom of the screen).

Those smooth motion features are awful. :dread:

The artificially smoother image looks so unnatural. Genuine high frame rate recorded stuff looks good e.g. Sports in 720p60 but a Blu Ray at native 1080P24 looks like so much nicer than some crappy post processing effects that try and make it look like it's 60 frames. I turn it off on my friend's TVs when they're out of the room and don't tell them I've done it.

ah, good shout. Hadn't realised such a thing exists. Was watching "Rogue One" and it made it look some kind of movie made for TV for the SciFi Channel.

Neither him or his GF noticed it, the Neanderthals.

Reminds me of the many years I spent going to my mum's house and having to change the aspect ratio because it was inevitably set to 'zoom' or some other abomination.

PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread by KK » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:37 am

A lot of people don't set up their TVs correctly, and manufacturers don't help. The only two settings that are usually pretty spot on out of the box are Gaming and Cinema. Or some people will have the TV set up right, but then not the box it's connected to.

4K HDR is actually the easiest to get right because it switches over and vast swathes of the menu are automatically greyed out.

Poser wrote:
Ad7 wrote:Pulling the pin on finally upgrading from our 10 year old 1080p 40 inch Samsung this year.

Looking to get a 75 inch tv I want most of that wall taken up

I would like a new TV (as I have said before, my living room TV is ancient) but the amount of issues and the lack of "standards" with new screens just puts me off. I will probably just upgrade to a 1080p set as that'll be fine for what I will use it for (i.e. PS4, Blu-ray discs and Freeview).

EDIT:

Ad7 wrote:Pulling the pin on finally upgrading from our 10 year old 1080p 40 inch Samsung this year...

In all likelihood, that's what I'll be upgrading to :lol:

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PostRe: NickSCFC presents: the HDTV thread by KK » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:49 am

Some photos of an alleged AppleTV screen have been posted online in the last few days. If legit I bet the manufacturers not producing that screen for Apple have gooseberry fool the bed.

Choosing a TV can be very confusing, so Apple having just 1 or 2 types (1080p and 4K, presumably) in a variation of screen sizes, streamlining the choice, could be massive.

With the way Apple are, V1 of their TV screen will cost £5000 for a 1080p screen that doesn’t have any HDMI ports…

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