High Def Wii "Upgrade" in '10?

PostRe: High Def Wii "Upgrade" in '10? by **still** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:23 pm

Carlos wrote:
closer wrote:My contribution...

For now, upscaler rather than full hdmi which will be reserved for the next true incarnation. More importantly motion+plus in-built to the controllers and, new colours - there has to be a recognisable difference and new colours is such an easy way to short term boost numbers. Wii is in 'trouble' in Japan - I've said it was coming for a while and people said otherwise - ps3 is the next big thing there - there I've said that too !!!. BUT if Iwata, who as far as I can see, is one hell of a savvy businessman, trickles out some minor upgrades, they will be lapped up. More importantly is the question of just how much games such as wii 'pissing about on the beach' and 'monster g' make a difference. I disagree with some on here that reckon graphics aren't that important - I reckon people do want graphics that at least start to look like gamecube x 1.5/2 - they do want 'proper' games, but they also want the new form of input. I can't abide final fantasy but I can't imagine the japanese putting up with a new incarnation in anything less than a 'high res' version. They have to deliver some real stunners if they want to totally hammer the nails into sony's coffin. (My prediction, however, is that Nintendo DON'T see this and are too busy trying to 'innovate' rather than complete.)

A good game is a good game regardless of looks. The whole 'Wii NEEDS teh HD' is a feeble arguement used by owners of HD consoles to stop themselves buying one. Graphics have never and will never matter that much. They ALWAYS come secondary to gameplay, at least in my house. Ill agree that half-arsed looks are a bad thing but to decry a game such as Corruption or even something as back-to-basics as Wii play as rubbish due to a 'low res' is just elitism taken too far. For what it is Wii play actually looks rather good. And Corruption has a better Art Style than any 360 shooter ive seen (particularly the use of color) and Id rather this be the topic of discussion for the next gen. There are too many generic looking games out there at the mo, Gears of War included (which takes a LOT of inspiration from WH40K).

I refuse to believe any 'core' gamer is so obssessed with looks they would deny themselves a Wii on that basis. Most of them surely own older consoles as well?

Has anyone played any old GC games recently? SSX3 suffers from less pop in than its modern equivalent, PURE and Metroid Prime still has a much better art style than Halo 3. Higher resolutions have yet to make my jaw hit the floor.

Carlos - would you buy a black and white tv ?? - no, thought not. there comes a time when the definition of what is standard moves on. (I only own a wii btw.)

PostRe: High Def Wii "Upgrade" in '10? by **SEP** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:54 pm

closer wrote:Carlos - would you buy a black and white tv ?? - no, thought not. there comes a time when the definition of what is standard moves on. (I only own a wii btw.)

Surely standard is defined by the standard broadcast signal in the area. Which is still PAL. Just because a handful of devices output higher resolution, it doesn't mean absolutely everything has to.

MCN wrote:
closer wrote:Carlos - would you buy a black and white tv ?? - no, thought not. there comes a time when the definition of what is standard moves on. (I only own a wii btw.)

Surely standard is defined by the standard broadcast signal in the area. Which is still PAL. Just because a handful of devices output higher resolution, it doesn't mean absolutely everything has to.

I could still play Madworld quite well on a Black and White TV

Fair play to those who like HD graphics but not above all else. The prettiest game in the world isnt any fun if its devoid of decent gameplay.

PostRe: High Def Wii "Upgrade" in '10? by **SEP** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:00 pm

Carlos wrote:Fair play to those who like HD graphics but not above all else. The prettiest game in the world isnt any fun if its devoid of decent gameplay.

Pfft, no-one plays games for fun any more. They play them to justify spending a couple of grand on a new TV, and to extend an e-penis!

Last edited by Rik on Mon May 04, 2009 3:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.

You have to laugh at these people who think real next gen consoles just offer HD resolutions :lol:

If this was the case then the Wii would be home to a lower res version of GTAIV, Bioshock, Resident Evil 5 and Fallout 3, of course that doesn't happen because it is the online, physics, scale and AI that the extra power enables that set the 360/PS3 apart from the Wii.

When they do try and cash in on the large Wii userbase you get gimped ports like Dead Rising that are not only technically hobbled but are missing important features.

PostRe: High Def Wii "Upgrade" in '10? by **SEP** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:28 pm

I keep hearing about all this impressive new AI and physics, but I see nothing that I didn't see in Half-Life 2, last generation. It's not like last generation eveything just floated up into the air, and so far the only really physics-based games, such as Boom Blox, have come out on Wii.

MCN wrote:I keep hearing about all this impressive new AI and physics, but I see nothing that I didn't see in Half-Life 2, last generation. It's not like last generation eveything just floated up into the air, and so far the only really physics-based games, such as Boom Blox, have come out on Wii.

Yeah, Rik.

PostRe: High Def Wii "Upgrade" in '10? by **Rik** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:31 pm

I doubt the Wii could even do HL2 though :lol:

PostRe: High Def Wii "Upgrade" in '10? by **SEP** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:33 pm

Rik wrote:I doubt the Wii could even do HL2 though

The Xbox did it. And the Wii is slightly more powerful, save for programmable shaders.

How many HDTVs do you have to justify buying again?

Rik wrote:I doubt the Wii could even do HL2 though

The engine and assets would need to be fiddled with a bit for sure, but I don't think it's too far fetched to think it would look and run much like it did on the original Xbox.

Hah!

I'm pretty sure the Wii could do HL3!

With one hand tied behind its back.

PostRe: High Def Wii "Upgrade" in '10? by **Rik** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:36 pm

The Xbox had a HDD and a better GPU, like I said the best Xbox games are still way technically superior to all Wii games like Outrun 2, Doom 3, Far Cry and Strangers Wrath. I would say the extra ram and higher clock speed don't make up the difference for Wii.

Since the Wii userbase is so large then why no Orange Box for Wii? Partly because technically it couldn't cope and partly because the Wii userbase would rather snap up a couple of million copies of Carnival games.

PostRe: High Def Wii "Upgrade" in '10? by **SEP** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:38 pm

We get it, Rik, you hate the Wii. Therefore it can't do anything. I bet it would stuggle playing Tetris, LOL!

PostRe: High Def Wii "Upgrade" in '10? by **Rik** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:45 pm

You seem quite bitter, people are quick enough to pat Nintendo on the back for taking a different path and making loads of money but they can't accept the downsides that path brings. I'm just pointing those out to those who are misguided enough to think 360/PS3 are just about HD and nothing else.

It's ridiculous to think Wii couldn't do Half-Life 2. It's Half-Life 2 fer chrissakes! Immensely scalable engine. Would it take a lot of work and time to scale down assets and rework code to make it perform well on the Wii? Yes, of course. Would it look poorer than other versions of the game? Well, yeah. Duh. That's not to say it would look bad. It might, if it's a quick and dirty port.
Would it work? Would it run fine? Would it still be the same game and just as fun to play (more so perhaps with IR aiming) Yeah, it would.

Rik wrote:why no Orange Box for Wii?

There was almost no Orange Box for PS3, and that was nothing to do with what the hardware could and could not do.

The fact that at least one of the Orange Box components was a heavily online-based FPS likely had something to do with EA not porting it. That, plus their various Wii developers were already at work on games that they believed suited the demographic better.

ooh! Homebrew QUAKE 1 for Wii

I love this game!

I'll be giving this a go later, then, I guess. Wiimote support!

http://wiihd.wikidot.com/news:062108-Wii-Quake

Fishfingers wrote:
Extralife wrote:
Fishfingers wrote:Either that or people who buy an HD Wii will end up connecting it with SCART anyway.

Just look at how many people who have Sky HD connected with SCART and HDMI, then don't realise that they're watching in SD.

HDMI is SD?

It can be, but many Sky engineers connect the boxes using both HDMI and SCART at the same time. Great when you boot it up and select the correct input, but because SCART can send a signal to the TV to tell it to tune to its input, then people end up watching via SCART instead.

I've been to at least one friend's house who's been doing this and even more infuriatingly I've been to many others where people have their regular Sky boxes set to 4:3 picture output on their 16:9 TV.

I posted in the HDTV thread in ATF about Virgin doing exactly this to my girlfriend's parents. Except they didn't give them an HDMI lead :fp:

I'd buy an HD Wii, although I'd much prefer them to put in some sort of achievements system.

PostRe: High Def Wii "Upgrade" in '10? by **Rik** » Tue May 05, 2009 6:23 pm

We get it, Rik, you hate the Wii

PostRe: High Def Wii "Upgrade" in '10? by **Mafro** » Tue May 05, 2009 6:25 pm

aka "but I've got black/gay friends" :lol:

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