How Police Reporting Works

PostHow Police Reporting Works by **Cal** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:39 am

Until fairly recently, many people still considered that the police behaved, by and large, in an honest and open way – and, indeed, many officers do. But there is a disturbing new tendency, not towards corruption of the Truscott kind but of mendacity, cover-up and collusion.

In the Commons on Monday, Vernon Coaker, the police minister, was forced to apologise to MPs for saying a few months ago that more than 70 police officers had been injured during protests by environmentalists at the Kingsnorth power station in Kent.

This startling statistic was designed at the time to put paid to any further questioning. It took a request under the Freedom of Information Act to establish what these injuries consisted of. The reality was shocking. There were just 12 reportable injuries, only four of which involved direct contact with another person. The others included being "stung on finger by possible wasp", "officer injured sitting in car" and "officer succumbed to sun and heat".

Mr Coaker, in other words, had misled MPs – something that in times past would have resulted in a ministerial resignation but now appears to inspire a shrug.

However, he was also misled by the police. As he told the House: "I was informed that 70 police officers were hurt and naturally assumed that they had been hurt in direct contact as a result of the protest. That clearly wasn't the case and I apologise if that caused anybody to be misled."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... e-lie.html

Mind you, Vernon Coaker is a well-trusted friend of the Police and their usual snitch inside Parliament - he's also very cosy with the likes of CEOP and is currenly one of the most vocal MPs calling for new draconian legislation designed to curb personal online freedoms under the pretext of 'protecting children' and 'combating terrorism'. A 'useful idiot' as far as Plod is concerned, then.

FatDaz in ...3....2......

I'd like to say I was surprised. But I'm not.

I'm sure I saw this in another thread on Monday. I think Hexx posted it.

PostRe: How Police Reporting Works by **Vermin** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:58 am

stung on finger by possible wasp

As opposed to the lesser-known impossible wasp.

PostRe: How Police Reporting Works by **Hexx** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:58 am

Elfhours wrote:I'm sure I saw this in another thread on Monday. I think Hexx posted it.

Don't think I did. There was a thread about it on rllmuk though - though this was before the apology/buck passing comments.

PostRe: How Police Reporting Works by **FatDaz** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:01 pm

Sam_Seed wrote:FatDaz in ...3....2......

Sorry im late was getting lunch. Right wheres my Soap Box??

OK I read that article a few days ago. It has nothing to do with the police. It was the MP who quoted injury figures not the police! So lay off the police Cal.

PostRe: How Police Reporting Works by **Cal** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:12 pm

FatDaz wrote:
Sam_Seed wrote:FatDaz in ...3....2......

Sorry im late was getting lunch. Right wheres my Soap Box??

OK I read that article a few days ago. It has nothing to do with the police. It was the MP who quoted injury figures not the police! So lay off the police Cal.

However, he was also misled by the police. As he told the House: "I was informed that 70 police officers were hurt and naturally assumed that they had been hurt in direct contact as a result of the protest. That clearly wasn't the case and I apologise if that caused anybody to be misled."

Who 'informed' Coaker of these reported figures? This is the same Mr Coaker who is the friend of every Police Chief in the UK with an agenda to lobby through Parliament. Who do we think Mr Coaker gets his Police statistics from? You can choose to claim this 'is nothing to do with the police' if you like Daz: I would expect little else from one of their own. You lot are past-masters at closing ranks around your own (when you're not hounding or bullying them out of the service, that is). :lol:

PostRe: How Police Reporting Works by **FatDaz** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:26 pm

Statistics for injury / accidents are freely available. If he didnt check them then thats his mistake. Of course he will blame innacurate info but then hes hardly going to admit he didnt check is he? The fact that 70 were recorded is not a police issue its a health and safety one.

As for all these chiefs with their agendas, do u have proof of this, do u know he is friends with all these police? or are u just assuming? how did this news push any agenda?

I resent the "close ranks" comment. I wont deny it has happened and may happen but the fact remains this news article was about an MP not the police! I can speak from personal experience when i say the police dont protect their own, public accountablility is so high they cant cover things up.

If you are so anti government and police why not move abroad? thats a genuine question not a bitchy comment or insult.

Last edited by TigaSefi on Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Most people would probably move if they could. I know I would in a flash to Canada as that seems to be the most sane country in the world at the moment or New Zealand. It's just isn't easy. Beside why should the normal public be forced out of a country due to a MP with despotic views on life ?

I wouldn't trust the police in this country as far as I could throw them. strawberry floating despicable the lot of them.

I know an ex-police officer who was forced into retirement, by his colleagues. Apparently, the force was just full of corrupt officers, and cover ups - The dude couldn't justify being there any longer. He was obviously in no position to change things, but as far as I'm aware, he was pretty much blackmailed into leaving and not releasing any of this information. The last I heard he was writing a book about his time on the force...

I don't know many of the details about it though, but the guy seems pretty genuine.

PostRe: How Police Reporting Works by **FatDaz** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:35 pm

TigaSefi wrote:Most people would probably move if they could. I know I would in a flash to Canada as that seems to be the most sane country in the world at the moment or New Zealand. It's just isn't easy. Beside why should the normal public be forced out of a country due to a MP with despotic views on life ?

Im simply referring to Cal's constant anti government speak and negative conspiracy theories. Im not saying this government is good (current catastraphe facing the economy shows this) Im just a little tired of him spinning everything to imply the police are evil dictators.

PostRe: How Police Reporting Works by **Albert** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:38 pm

Surely it's the ministers perogative to check the facts before reporting it?

I'm also not sure why one police chief embellishing the truth is supposed to make me distrust the police all of a sudden.

PostRe: How Police Reporting Works by **Octoroc** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:38 pm

FatDaz wrote:
TigaSefi wrote:Most people would probably move if they could. I know I would in a flash to Canada as that seems to be the most sane country in the world at the moment or New Zealand. It's just isn't easy. Beside why should the normal public be forced out of a country due to a MP with despotic views on life ?

Im simply referring to Cal's constant anti government speak and negative conspiracy theories. Im not saying this government is good (current catastraphe facing the economy shows this) Im just a little tired of him spinning everything to imply the police are evil dictators.

No! no! no! You're simply the willing attack dogs of the evil dictators. You are only "obeyink ze orders" -like all those nazis that got hanged at the end of WWII.

PostRe: How Police Reporting Works by **FatDaz** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:43 pm

Albear wrote:Surely it's the ministers perogative to check the facts before reporting it?

I'm also not sure why one police chief embellishing the truth is supposed to make me distrust the police all of a sudden.

Exactly. The Minister cocked up and now cal is blaming the police! Had it been the chief constable who had reported the injuries then the article would make more sense however he didnt.

Cal needs to change the thread title because this has nothing to do with police reporting. Health and Safety guidelines state that all injuries and "near misses" must be recorded, the police havent fudged the results or made things up and they havent even reported any of it anyway :fp:

PostRe: How Police Reporting Works by **Hexx** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:51 pm

Albear wrote:Surely it's the ministers perogative to check the facts before reporting it?

I'm also not sure why one police chief embellishing the truth is supposed to make me distrust the police all of a sudden.

Listen one lying MP was found out to have lied, blamed someone else. We must believe them

PostRe: How Police Reporting Works by **Cal** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:56 pm

The number of injuries to police during a week-long climate change protest was 'overblown', according to the Liberal Democrats.

Government ministers had said 70 police officers were injured during a protest at Kingsnorth power station in Kent last August. But a Freedom of Information Act request by the Liberal Democrats reveals there were only 12 reportable injuries. Of these, only four involved direct contact with another person and all were at the lowest level of seriousness.

The Lib Dems said the eight other reportable injuries included being "stung on finger by possible wasp", "officer injured sitting in car" and "officer succumbed to sun and heat". Environmental campaigners had been protesting against plans for a new coal-fired power station at the site. If the plans go ahead, it would be Britain's first new coal-fired plant in more than 30 years.

"The threat posed by environmental direct action is being systematically overblown by both the Government and the police," Lib Dem shadow justice spokesman David Howarth said. "I hope that ministers and the police will now stop trying to portray peaceful protesters as somehow equivalent to terrorists or violent extremists."

It was disclosed in September that the estimated cost of policing the Kingsnorth protest was around £5.9m, which was spent on officers, accommodation, air support and planning. Of 100 people arrested during the gathering, 46 were charged and 22 were cautioned. Three people were bound over to keep the peace and one other was found to be in breach of bail.

There were some 1,400 police officers from 26 forces deployed to the camp.

http://www.news.sky.com

All in all a nice little jolly for all those Plods out to maximise their overtime and monthly earnings. Job done!

PostRe: How Police Reporting Works by **Gandalf** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:57 pm

FatDaz wrote:
TigaSefi wrote:Most people would probably move if they could. I know I would in a flash to Canada as that seems to be the most sane country in the world at the moment or New Zealand. It's just isn't easy. Beside why should the normal public be forced out of a country due to a MP with despotic views on life ?

Im simply referring to Cal's constant anti government speak and negative conspiracy theories. Im not saying this government is good (current catastraphe facing the economy shows this) Im just a little tired of him spinning everything to imply the police are evil dictators.

Cal wouldn't be Cal if he didn't have a negative spin on one thing or another! :mrgreen:

Egg Noggy Digital wrote:

Paging Sam Seed to the thread. This has potential!

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