If you could change one 2016 outcome which would you pick - Brexit or President Trump?

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Lucien wrote:Neither. I was only marginally interested in the EU situation for certain reasons, and I won that vote; Trump/Hillary/most of politics is about as important to me as helping someone decide whether to eat Monster Munch or Wotsits.

Not only did i just eat monster munch, i also nearly picked wotsits.

Lucien would be no help, I just had this, better than both.

Moggy wrote:
Poser wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Poser wrote:Brexit. I'll feel wounded by that for years.

I did see an article putting forward the idea that actually, for post-Brexit Britain, Trump is the better president.

Link? Wouldn't mind reading it.

Sorry, should have added that.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/do ... r-britain/

I think the opening paragraph of that clearly shows where the authors support lies.

Well, yes, but I'll take any possible positive at this stage.

I felt personally offended by Brexit whereas Trump is just baffling.

Moggy wrote:Brexit.

Trump is a horrible man and is likely to be a disaster but Brexit will have more impact on me (and my family) personally.

Plus Brexit is likely to be forever, whereas Trump may well get hamstrung in 2 years (midterms) and will hopefully be gone in 4 years.

You hit the nail on the head there.

Brexit without a shadow of a doubt. As other people have said, Brexit has far wider ramifications for the UK. It would also help to stand together as a continent against a US losing its marbles and an emboldened Russia.

Moggy wrote:Plus Brexit is likely to be forever, whereas Trump may well get hamstrung in 2 years (midterms) and will hopefully be gone in 4 years.

Just found out that that might not happen now.

A map of the seats and incumbents up for re-election in 2018:

Midterms are usually a pretty good time for opposition parties to ratchet up the heat on incumbent administrations, but this time the Democrats will be playing defense across the country, and it could get rough. Still though, the blue states he was able to flip should be able to be flipped back so long as he doesn't do a scarily good job.

Instant run-off needs to be put on the ballot between now and then. I mean, look at the huge wave of anger from both sides of the aisle, as well as third party and undecided voters, and the shock of Trump's winning - by rights that should make any country want to revisit its electoral system... right? Anyway, we get instant run-off voting, we'll never have to go through anything like this again.

Edit: Maine had instant run-off on the ballot this election, and it passed! There is some hope yet!

I thought I would see what Twitter comes up with.

twitter.com/GRcade/status/796364011889573888

I'll be wishing for a reverse of the Scottish indepence results than Brexit (which will not happen to Scotland if we were indepedent anyway) and not bothered about a orange with a bad wig playing politics in a far far far away land.

Brexit.

100x Brexit.

Hillary Clinton was a turd sandwich. Trump may be a giant douche, but at least he doesn't seem to want to start a strawberry floating war with Russia.

Qikz wrote:Trump may be a giant douche, but at least he doesn't seem to want to start a strawberry floating war with Russia.

No, because he's Putin's good little puppet, and he'll let Russia ride roughshod over eastern Europe instead.

Brexit as it affects me far more than Trump. Although I am a little worried about the long term implications of a Trump presidency. I really think we could see a massive shift in world power.

Poser wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Poser wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Poser wrote:Brexit. I'll feel wounded by that for years.

I did see an article putting forward the idea that actually, for post-Brexit Britain, Trump is the better president.

Link? Wouldn't mind reading it.

Sorry, should have added that.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/do ... r-britain/

I think the opening paragraph of that clearly shows where the authors support lies.

Well, yes, but I'll take any possible positive at this stage.

Rod Liddle is a horrible human being.

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Qikz wrote:Trump may be a giant douche, but at least he doesn't seem to want to start a strawberry floating war with Russia.

No, because he's Putin's good little puppet, and he'll let Russia ride roughshod over eastern Europe instead.

Better that than a war between Russia and the US if I'm being brutally honest.

lex-man wrote:Rod Liddle is a horrible human being.

Yep.

The overwhelming majority of street crime, knife crime, gun crime, robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London is carried out by young men from the African-Caribbean community. Of course, in return, we have rap music, goat curry and a far more vibrant and diverse understanding of cultures which were once alien to us. For which, many thanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Liddl ... and_racism

Qikz wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:
Qikz wrote:Trump may be a giant douche, but at least he doesn't seem to want to start a strawberry floating war with Russia.

No, because he's Putin's good little puppet, and he'll let Russia ride roughshod over eastern Europe instead.

Better that than a war between Russia and the US if I'm being brutally honest.

Where would you stop Russia? When they entered Poland?

Poland and the Carpathian Mountains are where the west needs to meet Russia. As much as we might want to protect them, the Baltic states and the larger countries nearby are all but indefensible, but the Polish/Carpathian line needs to hold because beyond that lies Germany and the industrial and economic heart of Europe.

lex-man wrote:I really think we could see a massive shift in world power.

Yeah I think a more inward and backward looking US will likely speed up China's ascension to global superpower.

It looks like they'd pretty much hand the renewable energy market to China too if Trump follows through on his promises. He said he'll repeal all federal spending on clean energy, including R&D for wind, solar, nuclear power, and electric vehicles, plus pull out of the Paris climate deal, scrap all the major regulations put in place to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, scrap the Environmental Protection Agency (and the Department of Education, lol). According to Trump, climate change is a Chinese conspiracy!

You'd hope that was all just a load of gooseberry fool he spouted to get elected...

Probably Brexit.

Trump will either be shot or quit when he realises a) it's hard work and b) much more executive and policy based than his tiny mind can deal with.

Russia honestly doesn't gain anything from invading Eastern Europe again. Putin may be your stereotypical villain, but he's not a total idiot.

Lucien wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Qikz wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:
Qikz wrote:Trump may be a giant douche, but at least he doesn't seem to want to start a strawberry floating war with Russia.

No, because he's Putin's good little puppet, and he'll let Russia ride roughshod over eastern Europe instead.

Better that than a war between Russia and the US if I'm being brutally honest.

Where would you stop Russia? When they entered Poland?

I'm curious which eastern European countries you think Russia is going to invade?

You're aware they've already invaded and annexed part of Ukraine?

If you could change one 2016 outcome which would you pick - Brexit or President Trump?

You have the power to reverse only one of 2016's major outcomes. Which do you choose?

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