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by JK » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:15 pm

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On the subject of exposition, Casino Royale is bad in that at times it spells things out in the most obvious manner and other times you don't know what on Earth is going on. The bit in the casino is awful for exposition - Mathis just turns into a one-man exposition machine, explaining the very basics of poker and exclaiming stuff like "oh, look, that's his tell! Did you see it? That's a tell! Look, look!".

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PostRe: Inception
by Captain Kinopio » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:32 pm

I don't really get how Cobbs dream at the end where he and Ariadne go to is the same as where Saito and Fisher end up in Limbo?

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by Skippy » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:38 pm

Ooops No Bullets wrote:I don't really get how Cobbs dream at the end where he and Ariadne go to is the same as where Saito and Fisher end up in Limbo?


The city was crumbling around Cobb as Ariadne left and we saw them wash up on the shores of the city. I assumed he got swept away by that sea again and washed up on the shores of Saito's dream space.

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PostRe: Inception
by Captain Kinopio » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:41 pm

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Ooops No Bullets wrote:I don't really get how Cobbs dream at the end where he and Ariadne go to is the same as where Saito and Fisher end up in Limbo?


The city was crumbling around Cobb as Ariadne left and we saw them wash up on the shores of the city. I assumed he got swept away by that sea again and washed up on the shores of Saito's dream space.


But in the last Dream world, Cobbs one, how is Fisher there?

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PostRe: Inception
by Skippy » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:45 pm

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Ooops No Bullets wrote:I don't really get how Cobbs dream at the end where he and Ariadne go to is the same as where Saito and Fisher end up in Limbo?


The city was crumbling around Cobb as Ariadne left and we saw them wash up on the shores of the city. I assumed he got swept away by that sea again and washed up on the shores of Saito's dream space.


But in the last Dream world, Cobbs one, how is Fisher there?


Seeing as they're sharing dreams I'd assume all the characters shared Limbo. So when Saito and Fischer go there, it's inhabited with what Cobb made whilst he was down there with Mal.

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PostRe: Inception
by Captain Kinopio » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:53 pm

Fists with your toes? wrote:Limbo is unconstructed space unless someone who has already been there is with them (Cobb) Fisher, Juno and Cobb get sent down to cobbs limbo and do that stuff, Juno and fisher ride the kicks.While Cobb pushes Mal into stabbing him which would send him to Saito's limbo, who has grown old due to being there for years as they done that stuff etc etc

Thats what I got from it.


I think that makes sense :lol:

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PostRe: Inception
by jamcc » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:35 pm

I need to watch this soon so I can come back to this topic and pretend not to like it. 8-)

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PostRe: Inception
by Pancake » Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:20 pm

Inception is ace. And no, it is not just a regular action movie. It clearly, clearly is not.

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by Songwriter » Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:42 pm

Oh come on....It is supposed to be complicated.

It helps you on the way, of course, but to call it ‘easy’ is mocking Nolan. The diagrams he drew are mind-bendingly complex.

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by $ilva $hadow » Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:57 pm

Credit to Nolan that he managed to explain the whole plot in such an easy manner in the movie. It's easy to understand because of how well the movie is made.

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PostRe: Inception
by Hulohot » Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:59 pm

Anung is pretty much correct there. A long article that explains everything about the movie:

http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/feature ... on-101.php

For people saying it is patronising, it NEEDS to be considering how complicated the movie is. The majority apparently didn't understand it as it is. I heard how complicated it was supposed to be, and loved every moment as I saw it, following what was going on perfectly :mrgreen: Never been so into a movie before. Out of everyone I know who didn't like it claim to have disliked it for being confusing/ not understanding it.

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PostRe: Inception
by Rightey » Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:06 pm

Snowy wrote:
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Annual Gift Giving Man wrote:I enjoyed it a lot, the end made more sense the second time around.

by which I mean that the first time I watched it I got that Cobb was still in a dream at the end but I didn't see at which point in the film that he actually left reality, the second time around I caught the crucial moment where he doesn't return to reality.


Wrong. Michael Caine said that every scene he's in is the real world.


Also The child actors are older than the ones in the rest of the film and the totem begins to wobble which it never does in the dream. I remember reading somewhere that Christopher Nolan basically admitted it wasnt a dream at the end, saying the real significance was that Cobb walked away, seemingly not carrying either way.


Also He wakes up in the airplane, one of the things Cobb explained at the start was the main way to tell if it's a dream or not is if you can remember how you got there, the fact that they woke up in the plane and land shows that he's not in a dream anymore.

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PostRe: Inception
by Abs » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:32 pm

I saw it in the cinema and loved it, then tried to watch it the other day and it seemed stupid and annoying, it was almost like my mind had been infected with the hate and parody.

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PostRe: Inception
by Cuttooth » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:46 pm

The problem I had with Inception wasn't the constant exposition for its convoluted plot, or that it "held the idiot audience's hand" throughout, but that it decided to take something as abstract and mysterious as dreams and attach really rigid rules and explanations to them.

Then proceeded to ignore or forget about these rules when it suited the script.

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by Skarjo » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:50 pm

White Knight wrote:The problem I had with Inception wasn't the constant exposition for its convoluted plot, or that it "held the idiot audience's hand" throughout, but that it decided to take something as abstract and mysterious as dreams and attach really rigid rules and explanations to them.

Then proceeded to ignore or forget about these rules when it suited the script.


Out of curiousity, because I can't think of any specific examples, what are you referring to?

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by That » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:57 pm

I've just rewatched it (this thread gave me a craving!) and it didn't 'break its own rules' enough to break my suspension of disbelief. Thinking about it, the giant kick at the end seemed to be cut slightly out of sequence, but I think it was just meant to give the impression that it was all happening more-or-less simultaneously.

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PostRe: Inception
by Poncho » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:13 pm

Nice effects and a great soundtrack, but ultimately, much ado about nothing.

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PostRe: Inception
by Dual » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:17 pm

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PostRe: Inception
by Cuttooth » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:20 pm

The concept of the kicks is what jumped out when I watched it.
It makes no sense for Arthur to go spinning around in the van and not get kicked out of the hotel dream other than to set up the cool as hell (and masterfully shot) floaty fighting sequence. Presumably since that was his own dream, if he got kicked out of it the rest of the gang might be stuck, but it comes across as being made up as it was written to get from one cool looking sequence to the next.

Like how Kaito can buy up an airline (but apparently can't hire someone to pose as a stewardess to administer the sedative) without breaking a sweat. It made me question why he's so desperate to break up the guy's business empire in the first place.

And you have Ariadne and Fischer needing, and being able to, kick themselves out of Limbo despite being told that wasn't possible within a dream state (it always has to be initiated higher up).

It's also for the most part remarkably unambitious beyond the interpretation of the concept of dreaming within dreams. Other than the floaty fighting bit, Ariadne's training dream, and the look of the state of Limbo, there was very little visually unique within the film, the reason given that you can do lots of impressive looking gooseberry fool but please don't because the dreampeople will kill you.


The film has plenty of positives, it's well shot and well produced with a good cast, DiCaprio especially. It's simply that it seems Nolan wanted to do what he did with the question of consciousness in making Memento and do it with dreams and I don't think it worked nearly as well.

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PostRe: Inception
by Albert » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:28 pm

If I'm honest, I lost track of the Story line a few times, but that may have been down to the fact that I watched it over 3 nights as I kept falling asleep. (Long ass film)

What I did follow, I thought was great, and will definitly do a 2nd viewing soon.


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