Inside North Korea

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by Qikz » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:20 pm

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Scotticus Erroticus wrote:I've done some research on The North Korean military and can conclude that they would get their arses handed to them by South Korea without the need for American assistance.


Shame the Nukes would wipe out half of their ******* poulation.


Never thought Id say this but they're better off dead. At least you can leave Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia etc...


South Koreans, who have done nothing wrong, the entire population of Seaol which has quite a hell of a lot of foreigners there, deserves to die because of one countries government? That's what's wrong with this world, War doesn't happen between government entire countries of innocent people get involved and die to to the corruptness of the various governments around the world while they hide in their strawberry floating bunkers.

Life is a serious joke, they shouldn't have that much power over peoples lives.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by coldspice » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:22 pm

NickSCFC wrote:
StayDead wrote:
Scotticus Erroticus wrote:I've done some research on The North Korean military and can conclude that they would get their arses handed to them by South Korea without the need for American assistance.


Shame the Nukes would wipe out half of their ******* poulation.


Never thought Id say this but they're better off dead. At least you can leave Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia etc...

I think he meant half of South Korea's population, who have got it pretty good! Fastest average broadband in the world. Lucky buggers.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by John Galt » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:35 pm

NickSCFC wrote:
PCCD wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:North Korean mobile telephony? Surely something good for the people in that.


If you're jammy enough to get given a mobile from the government and like having your calls monitored so you can be spirited away down the mines if you say anything wrong


If you managed to get hold of one it would be another way of getting information from the outside. But would you even dare tell your neighbour you had a phone?


It's just as easy to create a closed phone network as it is to create the normal open ones most people enjoy around the world. You'd need a lot more than a standard handset and some decent know-how in order to receive signals they don't want you to receive.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by NickSCFC » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:27 am

I was on about North Koreans, obviously.

Wasn't being serious btw, best solutuion is for China to continue it's rapid Westernisation and hope they'll sort it. America intervening could set the whole region back half a century.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by Qikz » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:41 am

NickSCFC wrote:I was on about North Koreans, obviously.

Wasn't being serious btw, best solutuion is for China to continue it's rapid Westernisation and hope they'll sort it. America intervening could set the whole region back half a century.


Aye, as soon as China catches on that communism really doesn't work, either Korea will have to follow or basically starve as China could just cut off everything.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by NickSCFC » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:51 am

StayDead wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:I was on about North Koreans, obviously.

Wasn't being serious btw, best solutuion is for China to continue it's rapid Westernisation and hope they'll sort it. America intervening could set the whole region back half a century.


Aye, as soon as China catches on that communism really doesn't work, either Korea will have to follow or basically starve as China could just cut off everything.


I'd say they pretty much cought on in the 80s. Apart from issues like blocking critical websites and the Tibet issues the China of today is unrecognisable compared to that before Xaoping's opening up. Infact I wouldn't mind living somewhere like Shanghai or Guangzhou for a bit.

They're not perfect but they're certainly not communists.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by Qikz » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:53 am

NickSCFC wrote:
StayDead wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:I was on about North Koreans, obviously.

Wasn't being serious btw, best solutuion is for China to continue it's rapid Westernisation and hope they'll sort it. America intervening could set the whole region back half a century.


Aye, as soon as China catches on that communism really doesn't work, either Korea will have to follow or basically starve as China could just cut off everything.


I'd say they pretty much cought on in the 80s. Apart from issues like blocking critical websites and the Tibet issues the China of today is unrecognisable compared to that before Xaoping's opening up. Infact I wouldn't mind living somewhere like Shanghai or Guangzhou for a bit.

They're not perfect but they're certainly not communists.


Well, as much as I hate to say it, an entire world living via Westernized society wouldn't be all that bad, they're not quite there yet but the quicker they become more open than they are and stop censoring everything it'll be easier on everyone I think.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by NickSCFC » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:03 am

The main problem with democracy is the problem that throughout history people have always wanted to divide China. The government gets VERY pissed off when provinces like Tibet want independance.

Saying that, I reckon in 50 years (being optimistic) you'll be hard pressed to find differences between America and China. America are socialising healthcare, China are opening up to foreign business, introducing a minimum wage and welfare system in the next few years and (if you believe some reports) want to push English as an official language.

Look past the misunderstood views of westerners who no nothing about Chinese history and you'll find the government is quite rational and progressive considering.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by NickSCFC » Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:29 pm


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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by PCCD » Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:15 am

The government honestly didn't think they stood any kind of chance did they? :lol:

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by NickSCFC » Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:25 am

PCCD wrote:The government honestly didn't think they stood any kind of chance did they? :lol:


Technically it's their best team/performance since 1966.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by PCCD » Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:29 am

NickSCFC wrote:
PCCD wrote:The government honestly didn't think they stood any kind of chance did they? :lol:


Technically it's their best team/performance since 1966.


With a goal difference of -11 :lol:

The NK government don't honestly believe their own hype about their footy team do they?

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by Squinty » Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:20 pm

I thought this was pretty interesting read, not sure if it's been posted. Accounts of things happening in N.Korea from people who left the country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/world/asia/10koreans.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&hp

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by Preezy » Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:26 pm

Cheers for the link, Dr Cottle. That was an interesting read.

Depressing as strawberry float, but interesting nonetheless.

Really promising to see signs of civil unrest against the government. That alone is the key to freeing the people.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by Sputnik » Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:48 pm

Here's an interesting documentary about two "journalists" who travel to NK.

http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3

If you can get beyong the hipsterism it's actually a pretty good documentary.

This is malignant for diapered cartoon girls crutches as well

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by not siblers » Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:35 pm

Sputnik wrote:Here's an interesting documentary about two "journalists" who travel to NK.

http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3

If you can get beyong the hipsterism it's actually a pretty good documentary.

I watched that earlier on in the week, the games and the karaoke at the end were mental in two very different ways.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by Pontius Pilate » Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:04 pm

Just watched that, the show/games thing was unbeleivable. :shock: And the tea girl, was pretty hot. :shifty: I wonder what life is actually like there though.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by Scotticus Erroticus » Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:36 pm

Lets compare the Korean Nations' Air Forces and Navy shall we?

Firstly, North Korea Image

North Korea's primary attack craft. As you can see, its hardly top notch

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North Korea's best fighter craft... pretty good. Mig 29, but they only have 30 odd of them and they are used to protect the capital.

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Now, South Korea. Image

The F-16 Falcon... The Southerners use it as a generic Fighter.. it would rip the the gooseberry fool out of anything the Notherners threw at it (aside from the Mig29, which is probably its equal)


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The F-15 Eagle scares the Russians shitless. It would have no problem taking care of a North Korean fighter.... again with the exception of the Mig29.


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You do the math.

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by Mr Grimm » Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:57 pm

Scotticus Erroticus wrote:Lets compare the Korean Nations' Air Forces and Navy shall we?

Firstly, North Korea Image

North Korea's primary attack craft. As you can see, its hardly top notch

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North Korea's best fighter craft... pretty good. Mig 29, but they only have 30 odd of them and they are used to protect the capital.

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Now, South Korea. Image

The F-16 Falcon... The Southerners use it as a generic Fighter.. it would rip the the gooseberry fool out of anything the Notherners threw at it (aside from the Mig29, which is probably its equal)


Image

The F-15 Eagle scares the Russians shitless. It would have no problem taking care of a North Korean fighter.... again with the exception of the Mig29.


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You do the math.

That South Korean air force badge is awesome!

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PostRe: Inside North Korea
by NickSCFC » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:49 pm

Kim Jong-un appointed as general by North KoreaPublic role for youngest son of Kim Jong-il is seen as clearest signal yet that he has been chosen as leader's heir

Sign that North Korean leader Kim Jong-il has picked his youngest son as successor sparks protests in South Korea, with accusations of human rights abuses Link to this video North Korea today heralded a "crucial" announcement as its biggest political gathering for three decades began with the clearest signal yet that Kim Jong-il has picked his youngest son as his heir.

The state news agency, KCNA, reported last night that Kim Jong-un had been appointed a four-star general – its first ever mention of the young man. But analysts said it was still uncertain whether the younger Kim would lead the country following his father's death, and if so how independent he would be. They portrayed his current situation as effectively a probation period.

Today's state media broadcast offered no details of the anticipated developments, but fuelled expectations of further news relating to the succession.

The TV broadcast, which was monitored in Seoul, added that Kim
Jong-il had been reappointed as general secretary of the Workers Party – an "expression of [the] absolute support and trust" the people had in him.

"He will be the crown prince. That's it. There is no doubt," said Dr Kongdan Oh of the Brookings Institute. But she added: "The father provides a halo effect – the question is what happens when Kim Jong-il dies. That will be an interesting time."

Professor Hazel Smith, a North Korea expert at Cranfield University, said: "This does not mark a transition [of power] as such, but probably marks a step towards the son becoming more public. We have not seen the end of the process here: there is an element of probation." She added: "I don't think he will be fully trusted [by everyone in the elites] – he has spent too much time outside the country."

KCNA also reported that Kim's sister Kyong-hui, who has accompanied him frequently on public outings in recent times, was also named as a general.

Smith said the two were likely to have been appointed to the National Defence Commission, the key decision-making body domestically. "Kim Jong-il is running the country with the military – it is not a family dictatorship. Kim Jong-un is not going to have been given a position without the military agreeing to it. What is interesting is that he hasn't been given a position without the tutelage of the brother-in-law through the sister," she said.

"It is not sexism to say it is not the sister for the sister's sake: it's about her husband. This gives him access through the NDC to institutional decision making. "It is not a big step – for a long time he has been effectively running the country."

Kim Kyong-hui's husband Jang Song-thaek is vice chairman of the National Defence Commission. He was demoted in 2004 – some think because Kim Jong-il felt he had too much influence — but made a remarkable comeback. Several analysts have suggested that Kim wants them to act as caretakers to the untried son.

"They are trying to create regents behind the young crown prince," said Oh.

The 68-year-old leader had given little hint of his succession plans until recently and his son has been kept in the shadows, although signs of a propaganda campaign to burnish the younger man's image have emerged in recent weeks. The subject became more pressing following the leader's apparent stroke two years ago.

The announcement comes one day ahead of the launch of the first Workers' Party assembly for three decades. KCNA said that delegates were already gathering in Pyongyang for the meeting.

Korea watchers expected the regime to use the occasion to appoint Kim Jong-un to a position, signalling his favoured status, but had said any such move might not be announced for weeks anyway.

The last assembly in 1980 was used to signal Kim Jong-il's anointment as heir to his father, the country's founder Kim Il-sung.

"I think he is the chosen heir, [but] they are still quite a way off achieving that. If Kim Jong-il falls over in a month's time, I am not sure it will be an automatic process," said Glyn Ford, author of North Korea on the Brink. "I think if there's a bit of space he will be the country's leader. How independent he is going to be is another matter. This is a young man who apparently has very little experience of anything much."

Ford said Kim Jong-un was also likely to receive a party position, given that the assembly begins tomorrow, but said that observers should watch for other leadership appointments.

"There's also a serious generational change going on," he said, adding that officials on a recent visit had strongly hinted many senior figures would be replaced – something he had never encountered before.

"It may all be part of the foundation for his succession, but it shouldn't be overlooked. You are bringing in new people at top decision making levels with much more experience dealing with the West, and some who are not unfamiliar with economic reform. It may be they are being moved to support the family, but if so that in itself tells you that people in those positions have influence," he added.


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Apparently the fatso on the left is him, although there's still no official pictures of him. Personally I think he doesn't exist :shifty:


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