Inside North Korea

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **Preezy** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:30 pm

massimo wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Jus Luke wrote:How would you propose that we act?

I'm not sure. I imagine that the actual military prowess of NK is probably quite low, they wouldn't really pose that big a problem to the modern armies of the US and South Korea.

In a way, the NK army is a bit like Iraq was in 2003. Massive, but rubbish. And once the leadership goes they would crumble and things would get easier.

But of course, military action should always be the last resort. The UN should force China to pressure NK more to open their borders and accept UN aid, which would bring with it more focussed media attention across the world. Trouble is, of course, is that with level to which the general public are brainwashed, they not actually want to be rescued.

Very tricky situation indeed, but to say that acting would be difficult shouldn't mean that the world should just carry on ignoring the massive humanitarian disaster that is going on.

Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.

Oh man, genuine

Wasn't that funny, surely?

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **PCCD** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:43 pm

Wait until the World Cup's finished then go to Pyongyang and tell everyone who really won. Problem solved

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **massimo** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:51 pm

Preezy wrote:
massimo wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Jus Luke wrote:How would you propose that we act?

I'm not sure. I imagine that the actual military prowess of NK is probably quite low, they wouldn't really pose that big a problem to the modern armies of the US and South Korea.

In a way, the NK army is a bit like Iraq was in 2003. Massive, but rubbish. And once the leadership goes they would crumble and things would get easier.

But of course, military action should always be the last resort. The UN should force China to pressure NK more to open their borders and accept UN aid, which would bring with it more focussed media attention across the world. Trouble is, of course, is that with level to which the general public are brainwashed, they not actually want to be rescued.

Very tricky situation indeed, but to say that acting would be difficult shouldn't mean that the world should just carry on ignoring the massive humanitarian disaster that is going on.

Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.

Oh man, genuine

Wasn't that funny, surely?

I'm sorry, Preezy. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you really have no idea.
Your first point about using military force, and it being easy once the government is overthrown... Tell that to the thousands of army guys serving in Iraq right now. Not that I disagree with going into Iraq.
It's massively more difficult than you could possibly imagine. Not only would there be the threat of nuclear strike, but then there is the cost, the post war effort which would consist of rebuilding a country from scratch. There's also the possibility China won't look kindly on an invasion.
And after all of the real concerns, then you'd have to deal with all the dicks in our very own country that would protest against an invasion. Remember all those idiots protesting against capitalism during the G20? Maybe we should send them to North Korea to work in the labour camps on government only rations.

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **Preezy** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:52 pm

I bow to your greater knowledge.

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **Igor** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:54 pm

The only hope for N.Korea is if a more level headed regime come to power when the current crackpot is dead. The first hint of militarial action and Seoul is gone. There's no disputing that.

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **Squinty** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:56 pm

~Earl Grey~ wrote:And the problem with brainwashed people is that, as a rule, they don't know they're brainwashed. That's kind of the point. It's no use going "Can't you see!? You've been brainwashed!!!"...

Fighting an entire army of people like this would be pretty horrible.

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **massimo** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:58 pm

Preezy wrote:I bow to your greater knowledge.

I really don't know that much about it mate. :lol:

its just I can see a lot of similarities between what you wrote and when we went into Iraq.

I completely agree with you though, something needs to be done. But sadly, with North Korea it's very tricky. You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **Preezy** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:00 pm

massimo wrote:
Preezy wrote:I bow to your greater knowledge.

I really don't know that much about it mate. its just I can see a lot of similarities between what you wrote and when we went into Iraq.

I completely agree with you though, something needs to be done. But sadly, with North Korea it's very tricky. You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.

Indeed.

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **Qikz** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:03 pm

Igor wrote:The only hope for N.Korea is if a more level headed regime come to power when the current crackpot is dead. The first hint of militarial action and Seoul is gone. There's no disputing that.

Kim jong-il's son is already said to be next in line, that won't happen.

The only way the country will ever sort itself is if people wake up and smell the bacon or if society there crumbles completely which it will. Military action would be suicide for South Korea and any of the Western Countries that they can reach with their missiles.

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **Fargo** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:34 pm

Preezy wrote:I remember watching this video a few months back. Obviously it's a bit long so wouldn't expect anyone to sit through all of it, but there's one particularly harrowing part where the journalist is having an organised, state-controlled/setup picnic in the forest and he says something like "this is what it must have been like to go on a day trip in Nazi Germany, knowing what horrors were going on a few miles away."

That was excellent, very informative, harrowing but informative.

NickSCFC · PostRe: Inside North Korea by **NickSCFC** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:35 pm

StayDead wrote:
Igor wrote:The only hope for N.Korea is if a more level headed regime come to power when the current crackpot is dead. The first hint of militarial action and Seoul is gone. There's no disputing that.

Kim jong-il's son is already said to be next in line, that won't happen.

The only way the country will ever sort itself is if people wake up and smell the bacon or if society there crumbles completely which it will. Military action would be suicide for South Korea and any of the Western Countries that they can reach with their missiles.

Other than complete famine nothing will break this society.

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **Qikz** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:35 pm

NickSCFC wrote:
StayDead wrote:
Igor wrote:The only hope for N.Korea is if a more level headed regime come to power when the current crackpot is dead. The first hint of militarial action and Seoul is gone. There's no disputing that.

Kim jong-il's son is already said to be next in line, that won't happen.

The only way the country will ever sort itself is if people wake up and smell the bacon or if society there crumbles completely which it will. Military action would be suicide for South Korea and any of the Western Countries that they can reach with their missiles.

Other than complete famine nothing will break this society.

If that's what needs to happen, we need to let it happen.

NickSCFC · PostRe: Inside North Korea by **NickSCFC** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:45 pm

StayDead wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:
StayDead wrote:
Igor wrote:The only hope for N.Korea is if a more level headed regime come to power when the current crackpot is dead. The first hint of militarial action and Seoul is gone. There's no disputing that.

Kim jong-il's son is already said to be next in line, that won't happen.

The only way the country will ever sort itself is if people wake up and smell the bacon or if society there crumbles completely which it will. Military action would be suicide for South Korea and any of the Western Countries that they can reach with their missiles.

Other than complete famine nothing will break this society.

If that's what needs to happen, we need to let it happen.

South Korea keep sending aid though.

Sadly there's no chance of someone like Gorbachev taking over and reforming anytime soon

Korea has also been a hermit kingdom for nearly a millenium, anyone trying to come in or leave was executed. These people don't know any different.

NickSCFC · PostRe: Inside North Korea by **NickSCFC** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:23 pm

Fargo wrote:Saw this newsnight series linked over on Neogaf and thought I'd spread the word. Really interesting stuff.

The EU flag on the tractor :lol:

Not sure what to make of the videos, there's hope in the fact everyone's starving and the country can't sustain itself. Saying that, the famin of the 90s might have been worse.

Apparently North Koreans had a better standard of living in the 60s and 70s, but then they had the Soviet Union and Mao's China backing them.

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **Turok** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:32 pm

Damn those kids singing at the end were creepy.

NickSCFC · PostRe: Inside North Korea by **NickSCFC** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:35 pm

Turok wrote:Damn those kids singing at the end were creepy.

They strawberry floating are, centuries of being cut off from the outside world. South Korea's westernised stupidly fast!

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **Turok** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:37 pm

I like how the first guy they filmed in SK was a

guy.

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **Pedz** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:57 pm

I remember watching a program and it had people trying to cross the border in to SK and were just shot dead by guards on the NK border. I'm also sure a lot of the journalism and stuff has to be done secretly(not all, just some, I think.) Though the thing I watched was years ago, and that last bit may be wrong.

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **John Galt** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:57 pm

Proof if there ever was that Communism and Socialism don't work. It's unbelievable that the country exists in such a state yet I can fully understand why no country wants to take up the task of liberating North Korea.

PCCD wrote:Wait until the World Cup's finished then go to Pyongyang and tell everyone who really won. Problem solved

It would be interesting too hear whether this happens. After all, if you can pretend that people a few miles south of your country's border are living lives opposite to what they're actually living then it shouldn't be too hard to falsify your nation as World Cup victors.

PostRe: Inside North Korea by **Curls** » Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:03 pm

This sounds like a job for the A-TEAM. Or some elite special forces and spies. GET THEM DEEP IN THUR, SNIPE OUT THE PRESIDENT GUY! HAVE OTHERS IN THE NUCLEAR BUNKERS TO TAKE OUT ANY PEOPLE READY TO PUSH THE RED BUTTON. DISARM THE NUKES, TAKE OUT ANY OTHER LEADING KEY FIGURES WITH SPACE LASER SNIPER RIFFLES.

That'd work...right?

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