Is solitaire a roguelike?

PostIs solitaire a roguelike? by **OrangeRKN** » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:25 am

aka the card game known as klondike/patience

Roguelikes are typified by:

- procedural generation (randomly shuffling the deck)
- permadeath run-based gameplay (starting a new game when you lose)
- progression through improving player knowledge and skill (learning the best moves)

Solitaire is a roguelike, right?

Last edited by Poser on Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:37 am, edited 1 time in total.

Off topic ish, but have you ever read into 52 factorial/52! ?

It's the number of ways a deck of cards can be shuffled. 52x51x50... and so on. It is an almost inexpressibly large number. There is a description on link below of how huge a number it is, but by all laws of probability, every time you shuffle a deck of cards, you are creating a sequence that has never been created before.

More here:

https://czep.net/weblog/52cards.html

And yeah, Solitaire probably is a roguelike by those definitions. I've been playing a lot of it recently.

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Preezy** » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:37 am

Sure, just like Minesweeper and Mahjongg.

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Moggy** » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:40 am

It's actually a rougelike.

This is nearly as bad as when Charlie Brooker tried to tell everyone that Twitter was a videogame.

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Dowbocop** » Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:37 am

If we're being truly pedantic we should probably call Rogue a Solitaire-like...

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Cumberdanes** » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:08 pm

Poser wrote:Off topic ish, but have you ever read into 52 factorial/52! ?

It's the number of ways a deck of cards can be shuffled. 52x51x50... and so on. It is an almost inexpressibly large number. There is a description on link below of how huge a number it is, but by all laws of probability, every time you shuffle a deck of cards, you are creating a sequence that has never been created before.

More here:

https://czep.net/weblog/52cards.html

And yeah, Solitaire probably is a roguelike by those definitions. I've been playing a lot of it recently.

I think Stephen Fry said something about this on QI.

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **OrangeRKN** » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:59 pm

Poser wrote:Off topic ish, but have you ever read into 52 factorial/52! ?

It's the number of ways a deck of cards can be shuffled. 52x51x50... and so on. It is an almost inexpressibly large number. There is a description on link below of how huge a number it is, but by all laws of probability, every time you shuffle a deck of cards, you are creating a sequence that has never been created before.

Yes this is a fun stat! Of course it relies on the shuffling truly randomising the deck which in real life it doesn't. Starting from a sorted deck and depending on how you shuffle I suspect the likelihood of it being in a unique sequence is significantly less certain. Although I haven't crunched the numbers!

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Tomous** » Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:19 pm

No, it's a fps where the enemies are a cards and going only be taken out by shooting them with the card above them in the sequence, at which point your bullet becomes a new enemy and the cycle repeats

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Moggy** » Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:04 pm

Tomous wrote:No, it's a fps where the enemies are a cards and going only be taken out by shooting them with the card above them in the sequence, at which point your bullet becomes a new enemy and the cycle repeats

Like a JRPG but with cards made out of guns?

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Cuttooth** » Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:06 pm

Tomous wrote:No, it's a fps where the enemies are a cards and going only be taken out by shooting them with the card above them in the sequence, at which point your bullet becomes a new enemy and the cycle repeats

Can I interest you in the card game Regicide?

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/307002/regicide

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **aayl1** » Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:09 pm

What Perks do everyone spend their solitaire upgrade points on? I like the one that lets me do cool one handed shuffles.

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Roonmastor** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:51 pm

Sorry, I only play in multiplayer, where I think the comparison doesn't really work.

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Moggy** » Thu Feb 16, 2023 2:09 pm

Roonmastor wrote:Sorry, I only play in multiplayer, where I think the comparison doesn't really work.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Klondike

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Roonmastor** » Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:14 pm

Try Ligretto, it's up to 12 player (would probably only recommend up to 6 as it starts to get too big)

Once you add in competitive play, the cards are part game mechanics and part RNG. And part stressing out because I need to play this card and you just beat me to it!

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Cumberdanes** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:32 pm

Is Carol Danvers a Rogue like?

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **rinks** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 3:43 pm

Behringer is a Mooglike.

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Octoroc** » Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:09 pm

rinks wrote:Behringer is a Mooglike.

Full marks for the correct pronunciation of Moog.

Not to be confused with The Moog.

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **SEP** » Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:37 pm

Poser wrote:Off topic ish, but have you ever read into 52 factorial/52! ?

Isn't that just 1?

PostRe: Is solitaire a roguelike? by **Van Foster** » Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:35 pm

rinks wrote:Behringer is a Mooglike.

Your fine wordplay aside, as someone who used to work for him, Uli Behringer could, though for somewhat different reasons than those specified in the OP, be described quite reasonably as roguelike.

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