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Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:02 pm
by jawa_

twitter.com/Moschovidis/status/1711432374355906572



I'd be hesitant to read too much into the wording although - of course - if there is a consistent theme then it should be queried.

Just looking at a newer BBC report and the exact opposite is used:

BBC News wrote:Three days after Hamas launched a murderous assault on Israel, more than 900 people are known to have died. Retaliatory strikes on Gaza have killed almost 690, Palestinian authorities say.


This suggests that people in Israel "died" from the attacks whilst people in Gaza where "killed" by the attacks.

Of course, some may question the "murderous assault" phrasing but I'd imagine that, in terms of the attack, it's probably hard to argue with.

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:10 pm
by Herdanos
It's fair to call it out as potential unconscious bias but I imagine they're using them as synonyms to avoid repeating words.

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:36 pm
by OrangeRKN
The use of synonyms or other substitutions to avoid repetition is called (possibly ironically) "elegant variation" and is common in journalism despite it being frowned upon in technical writing because it introduces ambiguity. This is a perfect example of why it causes problems in journalism too.

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:52 pm
by Knoyleo
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ishi-sunak

Waving Palestinian flag may be a criminal offence, Braverman tells police

Home secretary also suggests clampdown on pro-Arab chants in letter that will concern free speech advocates


Waving a Palestinian flag or singing a chant advocating freedom for Arabs in the region may be a criminal offence, Suella Braverman has told senior police officers.

In a letter to chief constables in England and Wales, the home secretary urged them to clamp down on any attempts to use flags, songs or swastikas to harass or intimidate members of the Jewish community.

Her words, which follow deadly attacks by Hamas on Israelis and a military response, will deeply concern freedom of speech advocates and members of the Muslim community.

In the letter, Braverman said police should not restrict themselves to potential offences related to the promotion of Hamas, a proscribed organisation.

“It is not just explicit pro-Hamas symbols and chants that are cause for concern. I would encourage police to consider whether chants such as: ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ should be understood as an expression of a violent desire to see Israel erased from the world, and whether its use in certain contexts may amount to a racially aggravated section 5 public order offence.

“I would encourage police to give similar consideration to the presence of symbols such as swastikas at anti-Israel demonstrations. Context is crucial. Behaviours that are legitimate in some circumstances, for example the waving of a Palestinian flag, may not be legitimate such as when intended to glorify acts of terrorism.

...

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:15 pm
by Return_of_the_STAR
Wide reports this evening of babies being decapitated during the attacks.

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:19 pm
by Oblomov Boblomov
strawberry floating hell. Wish I hadn't read that.

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 9:30 pm
by Grumpy David
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I wonder if it is 'just' unconscious bias (didn't the Tories force the BBC to cut funding for training?!) or something more sinister, as in someone has stood over a shoulder and instructed to use the verbs in that way :dread:.


One of the things that I've seen get mentioned / criticised is the use of the word 'militant' instead of terrorist.

twitter.com/jonsopel/status/1711836416605368642



twitter.com/jonsopel/status/1711837693900906537



BBC style guide for it is here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsstyleguide/t

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:33 pm
by Tineash
It's exceptionally inflammatory and completely unsourced

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:36 pm
by Winckle

twitter.com/anadoluagency/status/1711812910035407131


Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2023 11:43 pm
by Alvin Flummux
Infanticide is a thing that sounds a whole lot like dehumanizing propaganda and will need to be backed up with verifiable proof.

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 3:33 am
by Skarjo
Sounds like classic wartime propaganda.

"The enemy are killing babies!!"

Sure they are Grandpa, lets get you back to bed.

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:22 am
by Tomous
Front page of the Metro tomorrow has the headline 40 BABIES MURDERED BY HAMAS

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:25 am
by Hexx
Hasbara working well as usual

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:13 am
by speedboatchase
The pro-Hamas people I follow on Instagram and who I’ve known for years have taken the very shaky ‘babies beheaded’ story as a pretext that everything horrendous we’ve seen these past few days - filmed by Hamas, no less - is fake. Which is easier than pretending that 260 people at a music festival were asking for it.

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:45 am
by Vermilion
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Wide reports this evening of babies being decapitated during the attacks.


I really do hope this is just propaganda and that there is no truth to it. :dread:

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:02 am
by Moggy
Vermilion wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Wide reports this evening of babies being decapitated during the attacks.


I really do hope this is just propaganda and that there is no truth to it. :dread:


There's so much false information and lies being spread at the moment that it's impossible to say.

With no confirmation coming from Israeli authorities, I tend to think the reports are bollocks. But who knows.

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:23 am
by Photek
Babies being beheaded is one thing but it certainly looks like a lot of people were killed in Kibbutz where that apparently happened.

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:54 am
by Hexx
Knoyleo wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/10/people-supporting-hamas-in-uk-will-be-held-to-account-says-rishi-sunak

Waving Palestinian flag may be a criminal offence, Braverman tells police

Home secretary also suggests clampdown on pro-Arab chants in letter that will concern free speech advocates


Waving a Palestinian flag or singing a chant advocating freedom for Arabs in the region may be a criminal offence, Suella Braverman has told senior police officers.

In a letter to chief constables in England and Wales, the home secretary urged them to clamp down on any attempts to use flags, songs or swastikas to harass or intimidate members of the Jewish community.

Her words, which follow deadly attacks by Hamas on Israelis and a military response, will deeply concern freedom of speech advocates and members of the Muslim community.

In the letter, Braverman said police should not restrict themselves to potential offences related to the promotion of Hamas, a proscribed organisation.

“It is not just explicit pro-Hamas symbols and chants that are cause for concern. I would encourage police to consider whether chants such as: ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ should be understood as an expression of a violent desire to see Israel erased from the world, and whether its use in certain contexts may amount to a racially aggravated section 5 public order offence.

“I would encourage police to give similar consideration to the presence of symbols such as swastikas at anti-Israel demonstrations. Context is crucial. Behaviours that are legitimate in some circumstances, for example the waving of a Palestinian flag, may not be legitimate such as when intended to glorify acts of terrorism.

...


https://news.sky.com/story/man-scales-s ... g-12982097

Someone had enough of the "other way"

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:12 am
by Mommy Christmas
It seems that freedom of speech is only ok when you say the right things. I see some BLM group in Chicago has got in on the act by posting a 'paratrooper' holding a Palestinian flag.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... parachutes.

Pretty sure it was paragliders not paratroopers. Maybe a silhouette of a paraglider doesn't look evil enough?

Re: Israel-Gaza Conflict

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:17 am
by Photek
Not allowed to wave the Palestinian flag? that's MENTAL.