[DISCUSSION] The Israel/Palestine Situation

[iup=3546460]Falsey[/iup] wrote:It reads to me like that particular organisation wants Israel to step off of Palestine, rather than utterly dismantle (for now).

[iup=3546386]Cal[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3546276]Stugene[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3546274]Cal[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3546034]Alvin Flummux[/iup] wrote:It's one thing for regular people like us to go around calling Israel out for its actions, but it's something else when Holocaust survivors come out with similar views.

Not sure if you spotted this:

...International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network...

...just like Hamas, they don't believe Israel has right to exist, either. Birds of a feather.

Just to check here, you're saying that the Jewish Anti-Zionist Network are comparable to Hamas?

Please elaborate.

Stugene: No, that's what you are saying - I didn't say that. Anti-Zionists don't think Israel has the right to exist. I don't believe I accused them of terrorism. I stated a known fact: just like Hamas, they don't consider Israel has any legitimate right to exist. Just to check here, are we clear?

[iup=3546459]Cal[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3546429]Hexx[/iup] wrote:Um. Now I'm on taptalk - but isn't that completely different organisation and website?

So well done on proving...um...something about someone somewhere?

Yes, those first quotes are from another anti-Zionist site, just to clarify what exactly anti-Zionists stand for and aspire to.

So let's deal with IJAN, the original organization in question. The organisation says it's:

uncompromisingly committed to struggles for human emancipation, of which the liberation of the Palestinian people and land is an indispensable part.

http://ijsn.net/who-we-are/

IJAN is slippery with its wording, no doubt sensitive to it's North American critics. Whilst it's happy to say something like:

...Our commitment is to the dismantling of Israeli apartheid, the return of Palestinian refugees, and the ending of the Israeli colonization of historic Palestine...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... st_Network

it won't go so far as to say the state of Israel should be taken out of existence. Interesting. Perhaps you're right?

Oh, hang on -

IJAN-Labor also welcomes the Trades Union Congress (U.K.) resolution of 17 September, which endorses the growing movement for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Israeli apartheid..

What the hell are 'BDS'..?

Welcome to the website of the Palestinian BDS National Committee (BNC), a wide coalition of the largest Palestinian organisations, trade unions, networks and NGOs.

http://www.bdsmovement.net/

I see. Always interesting to find out who one's friends are.

[iup=3546480]Karl[/iup] wrote:I'm liking the recent resurgence in italicised Latin on GRcade. It's like having Jambot and Atreyu back.

[iup=3546478]TimeGhost[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3546386]Cal[/iup] wrote:...it's not like you're implying falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, is it?

[iup=3546484]Cal[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3546478]TimeGhost[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3546386]Cal[/iup] wrote:...it's not like you're implying falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, is it?

No. Are you?

Falsey wrote:

[iup=3546480]Karl[/iup] wrote:I'm liking the recent resurgence in italicised Latin on GRcade. It's like having Jambot and Atreyu back.

Me too, actually. Im hoping more latin insults pop up.

[iup=3546508]Hexx[/iup] wrote:

Falsey wrote:

[iup=3546480]Karl[/iup] wrote:I'm liking the recent resurgence in italicised Latin on GRcade. It's like having Jambot and Atreyu back.

Me too, actually. Im hoping more latin insults pop up.

Semper Ubi Sub Ubi.

Not really an insult, but wise words for us all.

[iup=3546510]Moggy[/iup] wrote:I agree Cal shouldn't go commando but I'm not sure it's relevant to Hamas and/or anti-Zionists.

[iup=3546386]Cal[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3546276]Stugene[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3546274]Cal[/iup] wrote:

[iup=3546034]Alvin Flummux[/iup] wrote:It's one thing for regular people like us to go around calling Israel out for its actions, but it's something else when Holocaust survivors come out with similar views.

Not sure if you spotted this:

...International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network...

...just like Hamas, they don't believe Israel has right to exist, either. Birds of a feather.

Just to check here, you're saying that the Jewish Anti-Zionist Network are comparable to Hamas?

Please elaborate.

Stugene: No, that's what you are saying - I didn't say that. Anti-Zionists don't think Israel has the right to exist. I don't believe I accused them of terrorism. I stated a known fact: just like Hamas, they don't consider Israel has any legitimate right to exist. Just to check here, are we clear?

A long-term ceasefire has been agreed between Israel and Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip.

The truce, ending seven weeks of fighting that has left more than 2,200 people - mostly Palestinians - dead, was brokered by Egypt and began at 19:00 (16:00 GMT) on Tuesday.

Hamas said the deal represented a "victory for the resistance".

Israel is to ease its blockade of Gaza to allow in aid and building materials, Israeli officials said.

Indirect talks on more contentious issues, including Israel's call for militant groups in Gaza to disarm, will begin in Cairo within a month.

The US gave the full backing to the deal, with State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki saying: "We strongly support the ceasefire announcement."

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon also welcomed the truce. But in a statement via his spokesman, Mr Ban warned that "any peace effort that does not tackle the root causes of the crisis will do little more than set the stage for the next cycle of violence".

The breakthrough came as both Israel and the Palestinians continued to trade fire.

A last-minute volley of mortar shells from Gaza killed two Israeli civilians in Eshkol Regional Council, medics told the BBC.

Earlier on Tuesday, at least six Palestinians were killed in a series of Israeli air strikes in Gaza, Palestinian officials said.