I’ve dumped the DVR - anyone else only use on-demand streaming?

NickSCFC wrote:

Moggy wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

Zartan wrote:Same as the TV licence thread isn't it?

This World Cup was the first time I have struggled in about 7 years of dropping live TV, but it makes all the games more of an event going out to watch them

How long until Amazon start showing the World Cup?

They've already got a deal with the Premier League for exclusive games now.

The World Cup has to be shown on free to air TV in the UK. I am not sure Amazon would be willing to pay for the rights only to have to show it to non-Prime scum.

It's a possible alternative to the licence fee though, especially if younger viewers refuse to pay it (BBC's audience is rapidly aging).

It would result in Amazon making some exceptions to its current model though.

Ofcom's report this week shows a strong trend of young viewers abandoning the likes of the BBC and ITV in favour of Amazon and Netflix. Once baby boomers die off Amazon and Netflix will absolutely dominate UK media.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... 018-uk.pdf

By law the World Cup must be shown on free to air TV. It’s got nothing to do with the licence fee or how many people are watching Netflix.

The law may well change in the future to allow Amazon to buy the rights, but it will be a sad day when the World Cup is behind a paywall.

Programme audiences are relatively small / tiny on a lot of the platforms now, predominantly because there are so many channels. Freeview, Freesat, YouView, Sky, Virgin, BT, Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, Now, Twitch, YouTube... there are so many options for viewers and each have different subscription fees / payments.

Moggy wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

Moggy wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

Zartan wrote:Same as the TV licence thread isn't it?

This World Cup was the first time I have struggled in about 7 years of dropping live TV, but it makes all the games more of an event going out to watch them

How long until Amazon start showing the World Cup?

They've already got a deal with the Premier League for exclusive games now.

The World Cup has to be shown on free to air TV in the UK. I am not sure Amazon would be willing to pay for the rights only to have to show it to non-Prime scum.

It's a possible alternative to the licence fee though, especially if younger viewers refuse to pay it (BBC's audience is rapidly aging).

It would result in Amazon making some exceptions to its current model though.

Ofcom's report this week shows a strong trend of young viewers abandoning the likes of the BBC and ITV in favour of Amazon and Netflix. Once baby boomers die off Amazon and Netflix will absolutely dominate UK media.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... 018-uk.pdf

By law the World Cup must be shown on free to air TV. It’s got nothing to do with the licence fee or how many people are watching Netflix.

The law may well change in the future to allow Amazon to buy the rights, but it will be a sad day when the World Cup is behind a paywall.

Club football shouldn't be behind a paywall.

Moggy wrote:...it will be a sad day when the World Cup is behind a paywall.

I agree, Moggy. In my opinion football "awareness" will lessen with people if it cannot be seen for "free"; the Premier League and European competitions are - predominantly - behind paywalls and, in the longer term, I believe this will impact popularity.

Corazon de Leon wrote:

Moggy wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

Moggy wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

Zartan wrote:Same as the TV licence thread isn't it?

This World Cup was the first time I have struggled in about 7 years of dropping live TV, but it makes all the games more of an event going out to watch them

How long until Amazon start showing the World Cup?

They've already got a deal with the Premier League for exclusive games now.

The World Cup has to be shown on free to air TV in the UK. I am not sure Amazon would be willing to pay for the rights only to have to show it to non-Prime scum.

It's a possible alternative to the licence fee though, especially if younger viewers refuse to pay it (BBC's audience is rapidly aging).

It would result in Amazon making some exceptions to its current model though.

Ofcom's report this week shows a strong trend of young viewers abandoning the likes of the BBC and ITV in favour of Amazon and Netflix. Once baby boomers die off Amazon and Netflix will absolutely dominate UK media.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... 018-uk.pdf

By law the World Cup must be shown on free to air TV. It’s got nothing to do with the licence fee or how many people are watching Netflix.

The law may well change in the future to allow Amazon to buy the rights, but it will be a sad day when the World Cup is behind a paywall.

Club football shouldn't be behind a paywall.

I wish it wasn’t, but I can see why it is.

Hopefully in the future each club will be able to offer their games through a streaming service. I’d love to be able to watch all of my teams games, instead of having to pay monthly only to have to watch shite like Portsmouth v Bristol Rovers.

jawafour wrote:

Moggy wrote:...it will be a sad day when the World Cup is behind a paywall.

I agree, Moggy. In my opinion football "awareness" will lessen with people if it cannot be seen for "free"; the Premier League and European competitions are - predominantly - behind paywalls and, in the longer term, I believe this will impact popularity.

As in my above post, I think eventually the Sky/BT stranglehold will be broken and each club will offer a streaming subscription for their games, or the Premier League/Football League will offer such a service. We are probably a long way off of that though and it’s just as likely that Amazon will own everything.

I feel like I should report that post Moggy

Zartan wrote:I feel like I should report that post Moggy

I didn't know you were a Portsmouth fan.

Haven't used one in about five years. Never had a Sky, Virgin, BT, Freeview box or whatever. My TV does it if you connect an HDD to it but it only lets you record stuff on the same channel you're watching, so it was useless unless you were going out and wanted to record something. I used to have one of those PlayTV things for the PS3 but it didn't do Freeview HD, picture quality was worse and it didn't have a passthrough for the antenna so it was pretty useless to me since you had to unplug the antenna from that and plug it back into the TV when you wanted to watch Freeview on that.

Moggy wrote:

jawafour wrote:

Moggy wrote:...it will be a sad day when the World Cup is behind a paywall.

I agree, Moggy. In my opinion football "awareness" will lessen with people if it cannot be seen for "free"; the Premier League and European competitions are - predominantly - behind paywalls and, in the longer term, I believe this will impact popularity.

As in my above post, I think eventually the Sky/BT stranglehold will be broken and each club will offer a streaming subscription for their games, or the Premier League/Football League will offer such a service. We are probably a long way off of that though and it’s just as likely that Amazon will own everything.

They need to get rid of the strawberry floating stupid 3pm blackout too.

Mafro wrote:They need to get rid of the strawberry floating stupid 3pm blackout too.

Agreed.

Every single game should be available online and you should have a choice of paying per game or buying a season ticket for all of the games.

NickSCFC wrote:

Moggy wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

Zartan wrote:Same as the TV licence thread isn't it?

This World Cup was the first time I have struggled in about 7 years of dropping live TV, but it makes all the games more of an event going out to watch them

How long until Amazon start showing the World Cup?

They've already got a deal with the Premier League for exclusive games now.

The World Cup has to be shown on free to air TV in the UK. I am not sure Amazon would be willing to pay for the rights only to have to show it to non-Prime scum.

It's a possible alternative to the licence fee though, especially if younger viewers refuse to pay it (BBC's audience is rapidly aging).

It would result in Amazon making some exceptions to its current model though.

Ofcom's report this week shows a strong trend of young viewers abandoning the likes of the BBC and ITV in favour of Amazon and Netflix. Once baby boomers die off Amazon and Netflix will absolutely dominate UK media.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... 018-uk.pdf

You would still need a TV License to watch the world cup on Amazon if it was being broadcast live though I think.

Lagamorph wrote:You would still need a TV License to watch the world cup on Amazon if it was being broadcast live though I think.

Technically it is if it is also being shown live on Broadcast TV, if it is only available through Amazon then I believe it is exempt. (The explanations of this are really vague, but that is how I read it)

Zartan wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:You would still need a TV License to watch the world cup on Amazon if it was being broadcast live though I think.

Technically it is if it is also being shown live on Broadcast TV, if it is only available through Amazon then I believe it is exempt. (The explanations of this are really vague, but that is how I read it)

I don't think so. The requirement for a TV License is,

watch or record programmes as they’re being shown on TV or live on an online TV service

Amazon would fall under the definition of "online TV service" for the purpose of live broadcasts I'd imagine.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one

Lagamorph wrote:

Zartan wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:You would still need a TV License to watch the world cup on Amazon if it was being broadcast live though I think.

Technically it is if it is also being shown live on Broadcast TV, if it is only available through Amazon then I believe it is exempt. (The explanations of this are really vague, but that is how I read it)

I don't think so. The requirement for a TV License is,

watch or record programmes as they’re being shown on TV or live on an online TV service

Amazon would fall under the definition of "online TV service" for the purpose of live broadcasts I'd imagine.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one

Ooo thats a new line, that did not used to be there. I wonder if Twitch counts?

Moggy wrote:

BID0 wrote:I didn't realise these things were still around. I thought they died shortly after the death of VHS devices when streaming became a thing.

There was a pretty big gap between DVRs becoming popular and streaming taking over.

Sky+ was released in 2001, iPlayer didn’t launch until 2007. Netflix didn’t launch in the UK until 2012.

I have a Sky box and so use the DVR capabilities that are built in. I also use streaming services like Netflix and Amazon and catch up services like iPlayer.

I guess but a lot of people moved from VHS to streaming. DVRs were like a stop gap.

I just watch regular freeview, or i put on a DVD/Blu Ray.

Never bothered with a DVR box, haven't recorded anything at all since the days of VHS.

I briefly had a Sony DVR in 2010 but it was utterly gooseberry fool and it got returned to Amazon rather promptly, I never bothered getting another one.

My current TV has a DVR feature but I can't be bothered to connect an external HDD to it to actually use it - besides that there's not much on terrestrial TV that I want to watch anyway.

I don't know if all TVs are like this, but the entire external HDD has to be formatted first and recordings are locked to that particular TV. Not as useful as it could have been, but such is the piracy obsession I guess.

I've just sent my Sky Q box back. We had the basic package and just weren't using it. Now we finally have fibre, we can rely on on-demand more.

I have reinstalled my perfectly decent Panasonic DVR, though, just for the occasions when we do want to record stuff.

We tend to go straight to Netflix when looking for stuff to watch, though. Never bother with live TV any more.

As an aside, I am in the process of digitising my entire DVD collection, to create some space in the house. I'll keep the discs, albeit in a big wallet. I have about 400 to do so it's gonna take a while.

KK wrote:I don't know if all TVs are like this, but the entire external HDD has to be formatted first and recordings are locked to that particular TV. Not as useful as it could have been, but such is the piracy obsession I guess.

I had a Humax Freesat DVR and only HD content was locked back in the days of 'BBC HD'.

I've had no problems copying media files recently.

My HD Scooby Doo collection.