Jeremy Clarkson | Top Gear Contract will not be Renewed | New Show on Netflix Rumoured

Lagamorph wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:To the people saying it's not Top Gear without the 4 people who've left... So what about the Top Gear that came before ~~Top Gear~~ Three Men Reviewing Cars But Not Really?

It was gooseberry fool. That's why it needed reinventing into its current form in the first place.

Yeah, chances are the reboot will be gooseberry fool too if you want to see a bunch of grown children strawberry floating about, but at least it'll do what it's supposed to instead of being a entertainment show pretending to be something else.

For years it hasn't pretended to be much other than an entertainment show.

Right and the people who made that format work are no longer there, so maybe the BBC should now try and the find the right people to make a more fact based format.

Problem as I see it, Clarkson-May-Hammond didn't have to try to be entertaining to be entertaining. They just had a natural chemistry and connection with their viewers.

If they were to attempt to duplicate that with a new group in the same format, the chances of success would be minimal IMO - since it could easily come across like they were trying too hard to replicate what went before. It could hideously backfire.

They're better off binning Top Gear and trying something from a completely different angle.

Yeah they can't revive it. The fact type show didn't work and it won't come close in viewers or revenue.

They can try but it wool be dead in a year or so. It would be better to end it do something new and let the memory of it lie.

I think they may go back to being more about car reviews and less about cocking about and the last aired episode showed that format can still work.

Also, it does raise the question of what would have happened to Top Gear anyway. It's possible Clarkson would have moved on at some point over the next few years regardless, with May with him.

So looking at it like that, this incident perhaps didn't change things in as big a way as first thought, just brought it forward a bit quicker than expected.

Is Philip Glenister still in the running? If so, clearly needs to be him and the other 2 from Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes in character!

Saint of Killers wrote:Right and the people who made that format work are no longer there, so maybe the BBC should now try and the find the right people to make a more fact based format.

Why would people want a fact-based show when they have the internet to give them all the facts they could possibly need? The old format collapsed because people were able to get a wide range of reviews from a single source. They didn't need Tiff Needell presenting a segment about how road signs are designed.

Fact based is Fifth Gear...which is absolutely dire.

bigcheez2k3 wrote:Fact based is Fifth Gear...which is absolutely dire.

Although I do love it when they crash test gooseberry fool.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:So, no Clarkson, May, Hammond or Wilman. Pretty much no point in the BBC trying to bring it back at all.

Exactly. If they do it will be 3 people trying to copy what Clarkson, May and Hammond were like. It would be very awkward.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:Right and the people who made that format work are no longer there, so maybe the BBC should now try and the find the right people to make a more fact based format.

Why would people want a fact-based show when they have the internet to give them all the facts they could possibly need? The old format collapsed because people were able to get a wide range of reviews from a single source. They didn't need Tiff Needell presenting a segment about how road signs are designed.

I'm not a producer but I am assuming there is a way to make a fact based show interesting. And if The internet already does it was a argument then a lot of things (maybe rightly) wouldn't be on TV.

They could make a fact based show, but it wouldn't be Top Gear as it is now and most of the people who watch it watch it for the entertainment stuff, if it was factual it wouldn't have even close to the viewers and would have next to no foreign appeal.

I imagine the BBC will want to try and minimise the loss of earning from all of this, which will mean trying to make someone that will sell in the same way. My bet is they will try and replicate when they had.

In theory it could work if they get the right people that have chemistry like before but in a different way. If they just try to copy it will fail, but they could evolve the format keeping the road trips and races but bringing in a little more fact. They challenge will be keeping it interesting, part of the interest was the scandal and "edginess" which they will want to keep I imagine to keep that interest but will try to control it and so could go too far in the "correct" way.

It is a fine balance to strike, they could do it if they get the right team and are a bit lucky but odds are it wont work and in a year or two it will be gone.

Old Top Gear is like Top of the Pops. Great for its time but doesn't work anymore as it has been superseded by so many other forms of car reviews, not to mention modern car technology means the bulk of the everyday market is largely down to personal preference. Why would anyone watch a review of whether the latest Integra is better than the latest Mondeo? If you review the more exotic cars, who gives a gooseberry fool about a serious review of the latest Ferrari, you can see stuff like that on YouTube.

I don't get this idea that it has to be an entertainment show or that it's "supposed to be" a fact based show. New Top Gear was basically built on balancing both of those elements before leaning more heavily on the entertainment side of things as the budget grew bigger and bigger. The worst possible thing the BBC could do is focus on one side of the equation.
This is the stating the obvious but it has to be a show about cars and cars go from horribly dull boxes like a Renault Scenic to spectacularly odd stuff like a Renault Twizy. If you look at the latest issue of Top Gear magazine it's got the Ariel Nomad on the cover and you'd have to be a thundering halfwit to take that car and turn out a ten minute long fact based review. It's a very silly vehicle so if you put it on TV you have to get a bit silly with it.

Just don't put Jonny Smith in front of a camera. He is gooseberry fool.

I would like TG to be something where if they strawberry float up their defence cannot be We're an entertainment programme, not a serious show about cars. But the honest fact of it is I actually don't really care what they do with it. The thing I wanted to happen has happened and I am happy. Where it goes now is something I will have a passing interest in at best.

New Top Gear presenters apparently chosen

Errkal wrote:They could make a fact based show, but it wouldn't be Top Gear as it is now and most of the people who watch it watch it for the entertainment stuff, if it was factual it wouldn't have even close to the viewers and would have next to no foreign appeal.

I imagine the BBC will want to try and minimise the loss of earning from all of this, which will mean trying to make someone that will sell in the same way. My bet is they will try and replicate when they had.

In theory it could work if they get the right people that have chemistry like before but in a different way. If they just try to copy it will fail, but they could evolve the format keeping the road trips and races but bringing in a little more fact. They challenge will be keeping it interesting, part of the interest was the scandal and "edginess" which they will want to keep I imagine to keep that interest but will try to control it and so could go too far in the "correct" way.

It is a fine balance to strike, they could do it if they get the right team and are a bit lucky but odds are it wont work and in a year or two it will be gone.

It may not work as well, but the idea its about to die are really nonsense. Top Gear is one of the biggest TV brands in the world, and much smaller brands have suffered similar hits and lived for quite a while longer. Top Gear will never reach its peak again, but its very likely to remain a hit. Its a safe bet.

Lagamorph wrote:New Top Gear presenters apparently chosen

Philip glenister is a proper banana split on "for the love of cars"

Jodie Kidd won't work

Guy martins a great choice but not with those other 2 banana splits

Jeremy Clarkson | Top Gear Contract will not be Renewed | New Show on Netflix Rumoured

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